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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:02 AM
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headlight questions

So I also have a Toyota first gen 4runner, and truck lite makes a sweet 5x7 led. Pricey, but I believe worth it.
I've only seen reviews. But incredible light at a 6k level. If you search it go to the naxja site
How much of a pain would it be to it a 5x7 in, instead of a 6x7?
I have kc lights and my high beams and still can't see worth a damn.
I plan on putting the relays and new wiring in while my motor is out.
 
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This is a Ford site man. Take the Toyota talk over here:

Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum
 
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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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I referenced the 4runner because the headlights are for the 4runner, but only an inch smaller then ours, I think.
I'm deployed so I can't go measure my headlight and find out

Sorry I didn't make that clear. I'm wanting to put then on my f250
 
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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dylansf23
I referenced the 4runner because the headlights are for the 4runner, but only an inch smaller then ours, I think.
I'm deployed so I can't go measure my headlight and find out

Sorry I didn't make that clear. I'm wanting to put then on my f250
Oh I see now.

I'm a little confused on what you're trying to do here. You want to take Toyota headlights and put them in a Ford? You mention 6k...are you talking about Xenon/HID headlights? Our lights are 7X6. Not sure what that would look like in a truck. They make aftermarket 7X6's that have projector housings, eBay would be your place for those.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 10:23 PM
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It's a normal looking headlight, not that weird looking projector or del stuff. It's led, no xenon or hid.
But I believe it's 5x7.


Truck-lite's new LED headlight for XJ's - NAXJA Forums -::- North American XJ Association
 
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Old Mar 29, 2014 | 02:38 PM
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I haven't yet had first hand experience with LED headlights but I will forever swear by proper sized wiring, relays, and e-code reflectors.
These are some very old pictures(circa 2002,) and I long ago upgraded the bulbs from the 55/60W h4's in these pictures to 55/100's and re-wired so the highs and lows are on together, but they still show the difference very well.
This is with a Bosch H-4 reflector and 55/60W Osram bulb in the pass side, and a sealed beam in the drivers side, on the stock wiring, on low beam.



Note not only the MUCH improved beam pattern but the difference in colour of the light due to the drastic difference in voltage.
This is with the drivers side on relays as well, still a DOT sealed beam:



As you can see, running the sealed beam on battery voltage does help, but the beam pattern is junk.
My setup takes power and ground directly off of the battery, is all 12ga wiring, 40A rated relays, the low beams are on a 20a circuit breaker, the highs on a 30. I do not use standard headlight plugs because the 150w load the ground sees melts the common off the shelf stuff and at the time there was no easy availability of the now not too uncommon ceramic holder with 12ga pigtails.
At the lamp with the lights on, according to my notes from many years ago, I was getting only 10.5V on low beam, 9.7 on high with the stock wiring, with the relays and heavy guage wiring, I have full battery voltage, which with the truck running, and now thanks to the 3g alternator swap is 14.7 at idle, even under full load with the highs and lows on together.


I know the LED's are not nearly as voltage sensitive, and will be considerably less draw on the system, but A) adapting them to fit will not be easy as you will have to change headlight buckets and come up with new mounting for them. and B) they are still a DOT beam pattern which is not nearly as good as the e-code one.

Most of the aftermarket projector, etc housings you find on e-bay are junk, or are still dot beam pattern so you gain very little. Cibie and Bosch are the best out there for e-code stuff. Our lights are referred to as 200mm.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 03:43 AM
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These are called 200mm also. And are definitely not cheap eBay products.
They are a factory replacement for the Toyotas and jeeps a three prong plug.
Would you mind taking as look at that link I have and giving me your opinion it?
 
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They are not smaller, they will fit, both your Yota and Ford use a H6054 bulb, so the 5x7 and 6x7 descriptions are the same 200mm bulb.
I am not arguing the quality of the Truck-Lite lights, I was referring to H4 conversion housings.
I would like to see a direct comparison of a good H4 setup and the LED light, but, I can easily replicate my setup for under $200, while the truck-lite bulbs are $216.97 each from the cheapest seller on Amazon
JW Speaker also makes a very nice plug and play LED replacement, for quite a bit more money.
All the comparison's I have seen have been on Jeep JK's, which use the 7" round reflector, but, with what I have seen I would stick with my Halogen setup.
Anyone got comparison shots between the Truck Lite LED headlights and stock JKs?

Note the Cibie Z-Beam, it is comparable to my Bosch reflectors and Cibie does make a 200mm reflector.

They may not look as cool but when it comes to performance, they put more light on the road, period.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 12:08 PM
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Did you look at that link? The guy had low beam and high beam shots. Are they like yours?
I'm in the process of daily driving/ restoring my truck, and I live in some dark areas. I mean I use high beams during the day sometimes. And people say these lights ain't like the annoying leds so I won't hurt people's eyes. And my current headlights suck. Even if they were bright, or had a pattern better then my iPhone. I'd get better use out of a maglite taped to my fender. Even with my kc lights, which are old too.
Imagine the square in my lights and the round as kc. I could brighten the world one mile at a time lol
As far as down time. I have a gas car and I'm deployed half the year at a time so I can build my.motor, get her painted, get a sas.
 
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I am still against running low beams and high beams together if they are not designed for it. Not for electrical reasons, but because of human eye reasons and the ability to see distant objects without the near field glare of the lowbeams being on.
 
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Franklin, what is your opinion on the truck lite lights?
 
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 10:31 PM
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Check the link I posted, he had pictures of the truck lites in there too.

I would fire up my rig and get some pictures but it hasnt moved since September and is under 4 feet of snow. What i can tell you is the dot lights in my 96 are horrible... Lol

As for Franklin's concern of near field glare, I have never noticed that effect and I have a switch in the circuit so I can operate the lights as normal. I think the headlights are far enough away from the eye to prevent that. The precise beam cutoff on the e-code lamps likley helps greatly as well. Nothing at all like having the dash lights too bright, annoying way too bright aftermarket guages or probably the worst offender of all, cab marker lamps which both of my 96's have, the orange glow on the hood is not nice at all.

You have to remember that I live in moose country and once you get 5 miles out of town there is nothing but trees for almost an hour, no street lights, nothing. I am only 2 miles from a traffic light, but the nearest street lamp is 1.75 miles away... Lol

I have been in this area since 02 and have spent much time tweaking my lighting setup as most travel in the winter is done in the dark.
Both of my 86's are set up as above, my Dodge I have yet to figure out a good way of keeping the drl's working so it is on stock wiring, but it has the old school landing lights on the headache rack setup which is OK, thankfully they are a pencil beam and mounted higher than most would have done so there is minimal backscatter on the hood.

The LED's are a decent product, and if you are driving in an area where there is light other than your headlights and no worry of swamp donkeys appearing out of the ditch suddenly, you probably won't be as concerned with beam pattern as I am, and I likely wouldn't be either.
I just can't get past the price of them.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 10:44 PM
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I am stationed in a swamp. So no giant moose to squash my truck.
Deer when I go back home, and curves and hills non stop.

I don't like the price at all. But I feel like the others are inferior and cheap and a temporary fix.

I can barely see my gauges, no radio light and the cab lights I don't notice unless I'm looking at my hood for some reason.

Have you driven a new Camry? It's daylight in the driver's seat from the gauges and noon in Mexico in the summer with high beams.
If she follows me, with her low beams on, I'm blinded non stop.

My kc lights have about a 4 square foot beam by the time they hit the ground.
 
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