projected problems with 2015 Fseries
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And you know that it'll 100% fry them out? We were told in weld school that if your going to do any type of arc welding that you pull the battery(ies) out and you'll not fry out the computers. In fact one thing we did in school was Tig weld on a school truck on the Tommy lift gate (weld cracked and finally broke). Left the gate on the truck, pulled the battery and welded it back together. This was on a 2011 F250 Super Duty 6.2L. Hooked up the battery and the truck ran. So unless there was a grounding issue or someone was not qualified to do the work, there should not be any reason to why it fried out the electronics.
At my last job putting wheel chair ready minivans together, we had to wirefeed weld the custom floor in, exhaust and e-brake bracket in. Pulled the battery out and not once did the computer or any electronics get roached. Granted this was all DC and not AC like you would with Aluminum because this was all stainless to mild steel...nonetheless either one could short out the electronics if precautions are not taken.
At my last job putting wheel chair ready minivans together, we had to wirefeed weld the custom floor in, exhaust and e-brake bracket in. Pulled the battery out and not once did the computer or any electronics get roached. Granted this was all DC and not AC like you would with Aluminum because this was all stainless to mild steel...nonetheless either one could short out the electronics if precautions are not taken.
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Ok aluminum, not sure we know enough to see how it's going to hold up over long term, especially when coming in contact with steel.
2.7l eco-boost start stop tech motor.
Eco-boost has already proved problematic and the long term is probably to be worse, Turbos are expensive and they do wear out. The start and stop technology has never Sat well with me at all . I honestly feel it can Create a lot of issues excessive wear and tear on bearings and everything else as well as electrical systems and starters. I think it's gonna be very problematic, especially over the long term.
A lot of the F150 drivers I know are driving for 10 years or better.
My honest opinion is dodge is going to seriously use this time to steal real truck fanatics away from Ford GM is doing pretty good job of it already.
Anytime you take a smaller motor and drive more horsepower and torque it's going to wear faster. End of story
2.7l eco-boost start stop tech motor.
Eco-boost has already proved problematic and the long term is probably to be worse, Turbos are expensive and they do wear out. The start and stop technology has never Sat well with me at all . I honestly feel it can Create a lot of issues excessive wear and tear on bearings and everything else as well as electrical systems and starters. I think it's gonna be very problematic, especially over the long term.
A lot of the F150 drivers I know are driving for 10 years or better.
My honest opinion is dodge is going to seriously use this time to steal real truck fanatics away from Ford GM is doing pretty good job of it already.
Anytime you take a smaller motor and drive more horsepower and torque it's going to wear faster. End of story
In the near future, expect vehicles to be a lot lighter with smaller more efficient engines. With a lot of turbo charged gas engines and half ton diesels. Whether I like it or not, (I don't), just something I will have to live with. Also, with the direction this Great country of ours is going, (socialism) I'm sure we'll be paying all sorts of new taxes as far as fuel use, road use, etc... so we will welcome lighter,more efficient trucks. Sorry to ramble, just sayin!!!
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I'm going to attempt to bring this into perspective. And I don't enjoy saying this. GM is selling eight trucks to one Ford F150 at this time. Over the long term absolutely eco-boost motors are going to be even more problematic . Mark my words in 4 to 6 years there's going to be guys on here complaining about having to replace their turbos and replacing crankshaft bearings , starters from start stop tech etc. Ford is getting way too far ahead of themselves for an engineering standpoint. And they want us to be the guinea pigs. Let's think about this we cant get Ford to take ownership for very common issues on the F series trucks now, what do you think it's gonna be like in the future? At least brands like Toyota take ownership of problems and make them right . I don't like the direction Ford is headed at all.
It's not about sales it's about longevity with trucks. When your gonna dump 50-60 maybe even $70,000 on the truck do you really want something that's not gonna go the distance for you? The days of $35,000 full-size trucks are a thing of the past, choose wisely.
It's not about sales it's about longevity with trucks. When your gonna dump 50-60 maybe even $70,000 on the truck do you really want something that's not gonna go the distance for you? The days of $35,000 full-size trucks are a thing of the past, choose wisely.
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GM is selling 8 trucks to every 1 Ford? Where's the data? Not being rude, but in 2013, Ford sold somewhere around 680K trucks, GM sold 450+K and Ram 200+K. Ford almost sold more than the two major competitors combined, that doesn't seem to be an 8 to 1 ratio to me. That being said, I haven't seen the sales numbers this year yet, in my experience, those will usually be released quarterly. Even with GM and Ram rushing out a redesign, I don't see them out selling the blue oval. I could be wrong though. For what it's worth, I personally would rather have a V8 under the hood, not that anything is wrong with the Eco-Boost, personal preference is all, but so far, people seem to love them.
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Personally, I think the truck looks good and the small 2.7 ecoboost could get great mpg. I'm not grabbing my torches and pitchforks until I see one in person. Lets keep the forums lighthearted and wait till they start selling them before we write them off. Just my .02.....
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Personally, I think the truck looks good and the small 2.7 ecoboost could get great mpg. I'm not grabbing my torches and pitchforks until I see one in person. Lets keep the forums lighthearted and wait till they start selling them before we write them off. Just my .02.....
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Never buy a 1st model year product if you can help it. Learned that the hard way with the Myfordtouch not working in my Dad's 2011 Edge fleet car. I'm excited to see where the truck goes. Honestly, if I wanted a big v8 and was already spending a lot, I'd just get the F250. But for me and most people, the 3.5 Ecoboost is more than enough
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I'm still waiting on Ford to say something about an EcoBoost 302 V8. No one makes an aftermarket twin turbo setup for the older Windsor 302s from the early 2000s. I'd be more in favor of a turbo system over a supercharger anyway.
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Never buy a 1st model year product if you can help it. Learned that the hard way with the Myfordtouch not working in my Dad's 2011 Edge fleet car. I'm excited to see where the truck goes. Honestly, if I wanted a big v8 and was already spending a lot, I'd just get the F250. But for me and most people, the 3.5 Ecoboost is more than enough
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From what I understand is that turbos since they work off the exhaust gases are just added power, where as a supercharger works of the engine and takes a bit of the power (think around a 5hp loss) but you gain the power nearly right away. I'm not sure what type of turbos are on the EcoBoost whether they are the old style or a VGT. If its VGT it nearly eliminates all lag.
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From what I understand is that turbos since they work off the exhaust gases are just added power, where as a supercharger works of the engine and takes a bit of the power (think around a 5hp loss) but you gain the power nearly right away. I'm not sure what type of turbos are on the EcoBoost whether they are the old style or a VGT. If its VGT it nearly eliminates all lag.