I bought it knowing very well it had problems. What I underestimated is how frustrating the process was going to be to get it where I wanted it. I am not new to diesels either, I have had 4 heavy duty diesel trucks, and know how much they cost to maintain. I personally do not care how much any of my vehicles cost. I buy what I want when I want it. For me, the new vehicle is the best choice, because I do not like dealing with issues. I trade vehicles every year, and I am ready to move on now to something different. I think the EX is a cool vehicle, it is just not for me. If I could get a new one I would.

 

Hey, thanks for schooling me on how internet forums work. At 43 years old and having been heavily involved in many forums, a multitude of cars, some very modified and very expensive, and some racing thrown in, I really needed that "advice".

I put so many qualifiers on my previous threads about that fact that its not fair to compare a 2500lb car with an 8000lb car. Rather than get over my case on the internet about how forums work, go back and read my other posts first. Geez.

Now to follow your rant, I guess before anyone buys any used car, they should spend a year on the appropriate forums racking up all the info. To your point, if anyone did that, they wouldn't buy ANY used car. According to pretty much any forum, cars suck.

I never said I didn't maintain my car. I actually said I do a lot of maintenance on it, all myself. Motorcraft everything, Shell Rotella T6 synthetic. I even said I use Rev-X. Do you think I'd spend an extra $70 on a oil change if I didn't care about maintenance?

Finally, yes I do keep my fingers crossed. From what I've read about the 7.3, I'd hold my breath with that variant too.

Its a pure and simple fact that these diesels are complicated and when you add Ford to the mix, its a bit shaky. I think the diesel X is an awesome concept. I think that International knows how to build a diesel engine. I think Ford screwed it up a bit when they took it and stuck in a super duty vehicle.

I will admit I didn't know much about the 6.0 diesel when I bought our car. I honestly might not have bought it if I'd read all the horror stories and spoken with a few mechanics. The funny thing is that I've never needed to be so cautious when buying a used car, beyond all the obvious inspections, safety ratings, VIN checks.

Basically, it seems like anyone thinking about buying a 6.0 super duty should spend a long time deciding if they want to roll the dice.

I'm not a X hater so please everyone back off now. I like our car a lot. Its just a very expensive liability.

 

If you take a few minutes to read and think before hitting the post button, you'd realize what I was saying.

Absolutely, when speaking about the 6.0 super duty, I think Nissan is way more reliable.

Can we stop this now? There's no point to it and I don't have time to go and dig up reliability statistics for you.

 

Wow guy... go get some fresh air.

 

Yet another useful retort. Thanks for letting it go.

 

I wasn't attacking you. As much as you are defending your opinion I'm just chiming in mine. Don't take it personally.

 

settle down ladys! lets get this back on track and be civil about it.

 

OMG I LOVE my X!!!!!! Just kidding, but my wife does. It has been very reliable. Bought it with 78,000 and now have 179,000 miles. Other than normal wear items, I've had to replace the steering gear, two alternators, door lock actuator, and a fuel pump. (Brakes, shocks, ball joints, tie rod ends, etc. I consider to be items I don't expect to last forever.) The CD player in the in-dash 6 disk factory unit has never worked, not sure any ever did for long.

 

Hmmm,,, lets see, you buy a used vehicle and it needs work,,, WOW, THAT is a surprise?!
Our Ex, has 163k, did brakes at 90k, ball joints shortly after that, before a long trip, starter ON long trip along with a few tie-rod ends, had a Ford reman trans take a crap after the original trans crapped out due to dealer installing flex plate that had cracked under warranty and they crammed the trans back in cockassed, then had a JOHN WOODS trans installed,,, OUTFRIGGINSTANDING, but it IS a 12 yr old truck. I ALso have a 51 year old truck, (1963 F250 4x4) a 47 yr old truck, a 36 yr old truck, a 33 yr old truck, a 21 yr old truck and another 02 that is 12 yrs old,,, guess what, NAPA and I are good friends, I get them a pizza every so often, and we share Christmas cards, but you know what the best part is,,,?!?! I OWN ALL of my vehicles, free and clear, I hold the pinks in my safe, and pay absolutely NO car/truck payments. To me, THAT is worth it's weight in gold. Ok, sure had to buy an overflow tank for the Ex last month, it's called preventative maintenance. I'm sorry, but after NOT having payments, I don't want them!! I priced a new F350 and F450 before I bought my 02 F350,,, 75 GRAND for a truck that will do nothing but lose value,,, no thank you sir! To each his own, but for me, fixing a truck or two each month keeps me drinking beer in my garage, happy, happy, happy!
Glad to you the OP you got a good price for your Ex, and to the new owner, ya scored baby!! As for me and my Ex, we will live to fix another day!

 

My wife hates this vehicle. It is a money pit. Pumped up diesel just seems to add to the issues. Everything I touch is $1000

 

I pay cash for all of my vehicles also. Why does everyone assume that I will have a payment? When I buy my new truck it will be paid for when I drive it off of the lot. Like I said, the EX was a cool vehicle, just not for me.

 

Preventative maintenance is not replacing transmissions, ball joints and overflow tanks when they fail...

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Couldn't have said it better myself. That's been my whole point that no-one is getting. Everyone gets so offensive when you try to make a point that they hit the reply button before thinking and reading.

So many people on this thread seem to think its acceptable to replace $1000s of dollars of parts every year because the car is used, because its 10 years or has high mileage. That's a bunch of crap.

I totally acknowledge that "used" cars have to be maintained. Maintenance is wear items and the OCCASIONAL larger more expensive stuff.

But there's a proliferation of very expensive things that lots of people are replacing on X's that just doesn't happen on other vehicles. The number of ball joints, hubs, steering boxes, drive-line components, major engine components, and what not is ridiculous and just not common on all used cars.

That's the point I've been trying very unsuccessfully to make.

Again, before all the haters jump on me, I like our X, I really do, I'm just disappointed at the high occurrence of regular expensive failures you see on these cars. They all point to under-engineered or poorly engineered parts. Ball joints and hubs should not fail with the regularity we see on this forum. Replacing a steering box (more than once sometimes!) is just unheard of and quite lame. The design of the auto locking hubs is just not good. The front springs (in particular) were under-engineered and all X's now sag! I know Ford was trying to provide an "SUV environment" but at the cost of what? 5 years after you buy your $45,000 car, you're replacing front leaf springs? Really?

I bought our X because its the only vehicle of its kind. A car that holds 7 passengers, all their stuff, and tows a house behind it. That's cool! All the mechanical failures, not cool.

The next 12 months will determine if we keep our X or sell it. I won't keep a car that requires $1000s of dollars of replacement non-wear items. The math doesn't make sense to me.

 

Amen!

Cheers

 

Here is how I look at it. A 2013 new Ford Limited 4x4 diesel Ex (or equivalent) would costs ~$60K if it existed. I bought my 2000 with 110K miles 2 years ago for roughly $20K and replaced everything but the engine, tranny, and fuel pump for about $8K. I figure I am about $32K ahead of the game which I can apply to the dash and a new interior if I get the inclination and cash.

The problem is people buy a 10+ year old Ex with a bullet proof engine and 150K miles for $10-$15K and think they have a $60K truck and are shocked when the other stuff wears out. Sorry, but it just doesnt work that way. When you buy one of these trucks you better be a real good mechanic or have $5K in the bank for repairs or you should simply buy something else.

Just my 2 cents.