I am taking my missing 6.0 03 SD Crew Cab F-250 4x4 FX4 in for the new PCM falsh June 19,03 this is # 2 for me hope i dont get turbo lag! Wish me luck! David

 

Don't get your hopes up had 25.02 done today w/o my authorization

I had lost power, trans acting up and surge at 19-25k rpm.

Bit of power back but late in rpm 2k up, surge gone for now, trans seems ok..... Not the same truck I bought on 5/30 for 40k

I'm not happy! to say the least.

My service mgr says I'm on the list for contact from FORD......to tell me what? i got suckerd!

They got the money for a truck that drove great for 1000k,Now is no better than the GMC 1/2 ton with 5.3 I traded in, that I never had to the dealer for ANYTHING!

Bait and switch I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'll say it again I like the concept of this engine and truck but.....If I would have known this was comming I would have waited if I could have.

James

 

James



Why is FORD still selling these 6.0 Power Stroke Diesel trucks in the first place?

I bought my 2003 F-250 6.0 Power Stroke Crew Cab 4x4 FX4 Dec.-02......

I just cant believe that FMC would sell these knowing that these trucks have problems!

I hope the 25.02 dont make my truck worse! David

 

My advice to you is that unless you are having some serious issues you should not reflash. Wait like thousands of others for the real fix. There has been 14 reflashes since inception, and they have generally speaking gotten progressively worse each time. If all you have is a once in awhile rough idle, tiny romp in the mornings, little blue smoke on start up, dead pedal, turbo lag off the line.............wait. If you don't even have these things you really do not want to reflash it it will make it worse. You'll end up with the things I just mentioned.

 

David

Well there is the 40k question, that I'll be asking Ford when they call!

If you have so many trucks with problems that you are throwing so many resources at why do you continue to build and sell a known defective product?

Think I'll get an answer?

Maybe a new truck?

Personally I am of the belief that they are all bad some just haven't experienced it yet.
Software does'nt break, or change what it's been told to do, it seems to me since my truck ran perfect for about a week that something has changed mechanically and the software is compensating to the point it can't respond correctly to get the job done right.

They all had the same software from the factory at some point until Frod started fiddling with it. The engines are all pretty much the same give or take injector or icp upgrades.

Time will tell.

James

 

David:
Yours is precisely the kind of problem that we want to hear about but you seem to be making the assumption that they are all the way yours is which is apparently not true (we built our 100,000th engine a week ago yesterday in Indianapolis). You can have 10,000 happy customers and you won't hear a word but if you've got a half dozen unhappy customers, you'll never hear the end of it.
Everybody gets to have their say here but I am asking you (all) nicely to keep it civil. If the inflamatory bickering gets started again like it did in one of the other threads, I will simply remove those posts from the thread.

 

These guys just dropped $40,000 on a pickup truck that won't run properly and they aren't allowed to be upset? Personally, I'd rather them come into these forums and vent than the alternative. I know a guy who was unhappy with his new truck, and the dealer "couldn't help him", so he drove it right through the glass doors at the dealership and parked it in their showroom and told them they could keep the **** truck then. Rather than have that, if these guys are coming in here to vent it's probably a positive thing overall. 100,000 engines or 1 million....if they cost half the price of an average house around here they ALL better run properly.

Just my $.02

 

Joe
I just wish I was one of the one that could'nt complain!

My can't get this s*&% eatin grin off my face feel left along time ago, now i'ts, is my truck gonna break down in my pit of my stomach achey feel.

I don't want to bash Ford I just want what I paid for, when my truck is in the shop I don't work when I don't work I make no $$$$..... you get the point.

I'm sorry I just have a bit of buyers remorse because of the situation and I don't like it.

James

 

Here we go again. And complaining has what purpose? It's all been said. Do you need help? Can you offer help. As stated many times before this is a Ford Enthusiast forum. Joe perhaps you could (I am serious about this) create a separate forum that is titled COMPLAINTS ONLY. Anybody who makes a post that is nothing but a complaint that is not asking for any help what so ever and has nothing to help anybody else out with would automatically be moved to that forum so this forum can be used for it's original intent. And where do you buy houses for $80k??? I'll take 4 please.

 

WXboy
Thanks, for the .02 cents

MrWindow, If you have all the problems that we have. The 6.0 missing problem, hassles going back and forth to the Dealerships, the uncertainty that most of the people I know have with the 6.0s. (You may know this).

If you live in Texas its (almost impossible) to get a new truck bought back from Ford Reps. or the Dealer, from what I know and have read. If you live in Louisiana the laws are a lot different.

You not only would be sitting in a (New TRUCK) but you would have all your payments back, as well as your insurance refunded! But in Texas things are just a little different here. Read you local Lemon Laws if U need more info: and maybe contact a Lemon Law attorney for more information. The Laws vary from state to state. David


To all in the (6.0 Problems post) forum. I started this thread so we all could talk about what problems we are having good or bad. Also to Vent any frustration you may have reasonably. Please don't argue meaningless points.

I don't wont to start rummers. I just wont the facts! We all are on this thread because we have a problem or have had a problem with our 03 6.0 PSD and wont a permanent FIX assuming that will be the R-15 from Ford in August. If you have the missing problem,Turbo lag, smoking, Rolling idle ect.

I have done been down the road some of the people hear wont to know about with some of the 6.0s. I know Ford is working hard to fix theses trucks. I have a wonderful service manager! Thank God!

What does bother me is that some dealers don't care at all about what's right. Phone calls are not hard to make to some that are not receiving them from there dealers. That's not right and I hope Ford keeps a (full court press) on all of the issues at hand. Thank you, David

 

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I am taking my missing 6.0 03 SD Crew Cab F-250 4x4 FX4 in for the new PCM flash June 19,03 this is # 2 for me hope i dont get turbo lag! Wish me luck! David


by DTharp on 06-19-2003




Well, I did take my Truck to have the latest software update performed and this is what they did!

NOTHING TO FIX MY TRUCK! THERE IS NO FIX!

Took it in truck stayed in shop all day and my receipt says.

Engine runs rough. Idles rough. Engine is chugging and can see black smoke from tail pipe. The cause for this concern is under investigation and no repair attempt is recommended at this time. Refer to special service message #6184000-16874 Refer SSM #618400-16874

 

I WANT to hear your complaints. What I DON'T want is people making rash, inflamitory accusations that have no other purpose than stir up the Dodge Boys to chime in with their mindless drivel.

Why does Ford continue to sell these things is a statement that attempts to make the reader believe that they are all having irreparable problems and it is simply not true. It is understandable that someone who has spent a ton of money on a vehicle that the dealer has been unable to fix is going to be upset and I will deal with the Dodge Boys if they come around here stirring the crap. But, at the same time, I'd like to keep some degree of sanity with the I'm-unhappy-with-Ford crowd.

As far as I know, International is NOT having these kinds of problems with their vehicles. I'll see if I can get more information on this and post it here.

 

Joe,
It is just my thinking but I could be wrong. If an International engine goes in a commercial vehicle you are going to have more than likely a company that owns the vehicle and an employee who drives the vehicle. This employee is going to be less likely to complain about the rough running condition and therefore you will not hear the complaints that you would hear for an owners personal truck. The small problems probably don't get reported. Something is probably only going to come to light if the vehicle breaks down completely [fuel in the oil or turbo problems]. You seem to be getting a good hold of the sitiuation here. I hope it stays that way so this forum can be used as intended, to share information and solve problems.
Greg

 

I think the chronic complainers should look at the current numbers in the "How many people are happy with the 6.0L?" poll/ thread. This is a poll of FTE users, and 70% of the 6.0 owners have voted that they've had NO PROBLEMS with their engine. I've stated before that I'm not happy with the way Ford has handled this problem (waiting till now to step up to the pump and help owners out when they should have been doing it from day one), but Joe's right. It's always the 10% that manage to SOUND like 90%. At least Ford is trying to make it right, even if it's a little late. JOE- please e-mail me. There's something I'd like to discuss with you before I post it here. Thanks.

 

Joe,
my '03 6.0L 4x4 Ex has about 4k miles on it now... passed a benchmark I was concerned about yesterday when I had my first oil change... although it HURT to pay $87 for an OIL CHANGE... I still wanted it to go back to FORD to ensure I did not hear the "you took it WHERE to have the oil changed?"....

And 'knock on wood, no new problems from the oil change...
If I undeerstand what the latest definitions of these things...
Previously, I've experienced:
a) the "dead pedal" three times...
when shut down and retarted, cleared up...
b) always have the slow start up from a dead stop...
but then it seems to have excellent power...
c) no oil drips that I see...
d) and no 'romps'
e) but I did have the rolling idle on two mornings, but never since
f) and last week, the service engine light came on out of the blue
first time I had seen it, so I thought it was a check engine
light and stopped, checked the fluids...
restarted and the light went out...

We absolutely LOVE this truck - best travelling vehicle I've ever had (and I've had motorhomes) the fuel mileage around town has dropped since I broke it in and starrted driving it harder... but I can't help it... it's fun to have the 5 speed go thru the paces so well ! but 15 mpg in town is NOT bad at all the way I drive it...

but, if we can make it better, than I'm for it...