It is sad reading all this as I have experienced about all of these problems with my 6.0 and as has been stated, the reflashes just make it worst. I am unhappy enough that I am trying to get ford to buy my truck back. This is the first and last new vehicle I will ever buy. And what really gets me is that customer service is a no brainer except at ford. They stonewall you, want to send you back to the dealer who is at a lost of what to do also. My dealers service manager says he can't believe how bad ford screwed the 6.0 up. If his family didn't own the dealership, he said he would find a different dealer of the competition to work for. His family has always only owned a ford dealership, +50 years! I bought this thing to have a reliable truck to pull my racecar, with desent fuel milege, and I am very disappointed. Started off with power, and now is slower than my 95 7.3 with200,000+ miles, and it is stock. And the 6.0 now gets 5-7 less mpg at the same speed!!!

 

bmpmdf,
Have you tried another dealer? I have had pretty good success with Ford fixing their shortcomings - after I took the time to find a good dealer.

I have receipts covering over $8,000 in warantee work on my Expedition - as I had a dealer to took my concerns to heart.
Some of the biggies:
1800.00 R&R cylinder head for oil leak.
5600.00 replace engine due to misbore
650.00 Firestone tire replacement (we all got that one, but my dealer made sure that it was taken care of)

 

Actuly the service manager has made alot of calls (while I was standing there) to try to find a way to fix my truck. That is why I put the blame directly on ford. We have both been on the hotline and have yet to get an acceptible answer. Spent better part of yesterday at the dealer on and off phone with the hotline dealers call. The fact remains that my truck is not as good of a runner as what I bought. I will be dropping it off for them later this week and will not pick it back up to drive until my power everywhere in the rpm range is back. or ford can take it back because frankly, I don't have to own it. And right now, my 95 with 200,000+ miles will out run and outpull the 2003! And get 5 mpg better doing it, at 10 mph faster.

 

I went to my Dealership today and stayed for about 1 1/2 hours. No fix at this time and my service manager and I had a long talk about my truck.

While I was in his office a man called and said that he was looking for his rep. which would be mine also. That he is not calling back. (I know that feeling!)

My service manager said if you have not been calling Ford Customer Service (Diesel Customer Specialty Group) and complaining you need to, the problem is not going away.

KEEP CALLING AND COMPLAINING!!!!!! YOU NEED TO!
FORD WILL BUY YOUR TRUCK BACK IF YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY 40 CENTS A MILE never mind your payments and insurance.
I AM NOT GOING FOR IT!!!!!

This is the most ridiculous thing I personally have ever been through.
I have an attorney the cats out of the bag. I cant go into details about my case at this time. I can say. My dealer was served and dealers lawyer just forwarded the suit to Ford. I have a good relationship with my service manager (Thank GOD) he is a Christian man. I think a lot of him personally.

Aug. is the date Ford is giving all dealers as a Magic fix all.
I would not count on it!

If what you are seeking is a buy back remember that you will pay for mileage! I was told today unless you have an attorney.
The price for driving your truck is 40 cents a mile. You can argue that the first time that you took your truck in for service for repair is where Ford should look.

(For example) if your truck had 500 miles on it when you took it in for service the fist time for the rolling rough idle, etc., and now it has 6000 on it you really should just owe if anything for the 500 miles at 40 cents a mile.

(Remember there is no fix)! David

 

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2003/pow..._injectors.htm

 

OKIEF150: Thank You for posting this. I sent Steve DeAngelis a request to fix my truck too. Hope ford does.

 

No problem buddy. Best of luck to all of you. That site blueovalnews.com has some pretty good info.

 

Originally posted in the "Poll" thread:

Purchased truck 01 Feb 2003

2800 Miles: Started missing, bucking, stalling while driving on freeways. Took it in to dealer for repairs. New injection pressure control module, re-programmed.

8500 Miles (this past weekend): Started missing on freeway (above 2000 rpm - 70 mph). Stalled once. Runs fine if I keep rpm's below 2000. Made appointment to take it back to dealership.


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Update:

Truck spent four days in the service department. The number six fuel injector was leaking (almost four quarts of fuel in the crankcase in 3000 miles). Fuel injector and turbo were replaced.

Now truck starts hard, idles VERY rough for about 30 seconds after starting, and puffs large clouds of gray/white smoke out the exhaust at start-up. I'm guessing fuel is leaking into the cylinder while truck is parked, resulting in rough idle and smoking. Going to have to make another appointment to take it back in I guess.


2003 F250 Super Duty, 6.0-L Powerstroke Diesel, 4x4, XLT

 

In 2006, Diesels have to pass emissions. Ford knowingly introduced the 6.0L's prematurely because they have to have it running correctly in 2006 for this reason, else there will be hell to pay. The service manager at the dealership near my house told me that he would not buy one for another year or so because he would expect problems like those being posted here. When a service manager tells you that, it might be a good idea to listen.

 

My understanding is that the 6.0 is classified as a heavy duty diesel engine by the EPA. It has to meet the same emissions regulations as the big rigs. I'm a Mack Engine engineer, and have been working on compliance with the EPA emissions for the next level of emissions requirements. Navistar (International) makes the 6.0 PSD. For Navistar, the regulations go into effect on January 1, 2004. Due to some legal issues, the other manufacturers (Mack included) had to meet these emissions beginning in October of 2002. Ford and Navistar may be releasing the engine one year early for more than one reason. By lowering emissions below the regulated levels (introducing lower emission engines early) they can bank credits to pay for exceeding the regulations later, or with other engines.

Mack Trucks' ASET AC engines introduced in October, 2002 use the same technology as the 6.0PSD to meet the new regulations. I can tell you that it is difficult. Mack and all the other heavy duty diesel engine manufacturers are in the same boat. I'm not making excuses, just relaying the facts. There are many big rig drivers who are not happy with their new trucks for some of the same reasons.

Greg

 

I haven't kept up with heavy duty diesel regulations set fourth by the EPA, but I know light trucks with diesels are eventually going to have to pass emissions tests, just like their gasoline powered counterparts.

Also as gbirky mentioned, producing an engine that is below what the fleet average emissions output has to be allows an automotive manufacturer to have another engine that is above what it needs to be. I had not thought of this angle. It'd be interesting to see if this was at all a motivating factor behind Ford introducing their 6.0L now.

As for the technology he talks about that is being used by Mack, I expect it to get better over time. Most things like this eventually do. I expect that the job of the engineer desigining new engines is getting harder than it used to be. It looks as though they really have to know their fluid dynamics and Thermodynamics in order to make things work more efficiently.

Jesse

 

Well guys here is my story. We traded our 2001 F259 7.3 PSD in last month for a 2003 F350 6.0 PSD Crew Cab 4X4 Dually. Had the 5th wheel hitch put in and headed out for Virginia and all was well. On our return trip we were in North Carolina on I-77 near Elkin and had an injecter failure with 1900 miles on it. Until this point the truck ran like a top and I couldn't believe the differance between the 2 trucks in raw power. Well, had to get out my GoodSam emergency road service card and had truck and 5th wheel towed off interstate together. The truck was towed to Winebarger Motor Company the Ford dealer in Elkin. Now if any of you have been to Elkin it is small and doesn't even have taxie service. This makes a guy feel real warm and fuzzy inside. I met the service manager in this very small dealership and he said he would try to find out what the problem was and this was the first 6.0 problem they have worked on. They had a mechanic that just finished the 6.0 training school and he would be on it. We got a motel and stayed a couple of days and then went to Winston Salem and rented a car to drive back to Florida. My dealer here in Florida furnished me with a new car while I waited for the repairs. It took a week and a half to get it fixed including a new turbo as my truck was built in Feb. and they had updated the turbo in May. I flew back up to pick up the truck and drove it back to Florida pulling my 5th wheel over the 4th of July.
I would like to express my appreciation to Winebarger Motor Company and their service manager Stephen Gentry on a job well done and for their customer service, Ford Motor company stepped up to the plate and is paying all expenses incured from lodging, rental cars, and air fare with out an unpleasant word. I knew up front that there could be problems with the new 6.0 and accepted it and I do remember when the duraMax came out and the problems they had. My truck runs like a top and we have had no further problems and would buy a new 6.0 again tomorrow.

 

bmpmdf, Have you heard anything from Mr. DeAngelis yet? Sure hope everything gets straightned out.

 

Yes, another person in his department sent me an email requesting all the info on my truck. When I go to my brother and I property tomorrow, I have to remember to get everything to send back to them. I completely forgot today, as I was pretty excited about the racecar and how it turned out.

 

That's great news. Hope everything works out.