Looks like Marks got you Dialed in

SOme those wavey rails are starting to show Signs of Problems


Where do you Live Sounds expensive??? Europe??

 

Well when the ICP was Moved to Valve cover was when the HPO Rails were changed to accommodate this

 

Mark,

I understand there are three versions of the 2004 model. I think you are saying the following.

1. Just like 2003 with icp below turbo and straight oil rails
2. Moved icp. I assume this is when the wavy oil rails were first released. I think you are saying this is when the dps and sps for the 2005 and up models were first released.
3. When the glow plug control module was rotated 90 degrees.

All models have the old hoop without the stc fitting.

 

Norway - Land of Midnight Sun and Taxes :-)

 

Yes, i do understand that 04's don't have the STC problems and that I need to pressureize with air in order to locate where the leak may be at.
Maybe this is a stupid question then - based upon information above -
do 2004 HPOP's have this "check ball" leak/issue or not?

Helge

 

I believe so.

 

Mark, thanks for updating my knowledge once again.

I've still got one document to check they I left st work, but from the info I have reviewed the following is different from late 2004 to 2005.

1. 2005 stand pipes removed a check valve from the stand pipes. I'm not convinced this is correct because, as you said the replacement stand pipe for ththe two models are the same.

2. Ball tubes in the 2005 are 2 mm longer.

What I don't understand is how the ball tubes can be shorter in the 04 and still use the same dummy plugs as the 2005 with the longer ball tubes. Maybe I'm just confused again.

Apologies fir hyjacking the thread. We will now return to your regularly scheduled program.

Helge, my first though was hpop, but with those sps and dps, it could be those.

After checking the ipr, the next step is an air test to see which component is leaking. Sadly, the failure rate if the 2004 hpop is much higher than the 2005 and up hpop.

 

The new standpipes will work fine in the late 2004 model years.

 

Hi again,

Did (tried to do) the leak down test today and:

I could hear a weak sound that where equal from both heads, in terms of type of sound and how loud it was.
I tried to listen to each injector, around where they where located and couldn't say one side where more noisy than the other.

I did hear a kinda "blurp" thing/sound when setting the scope on IPR side on the HPOP, which leaves me with a question:
Should there be ANY leak at all when doing this?
Is it normal to push the oil back and hear and feel air coming up trough the filler cap tube?

If not - I have a leak
If yes - what is normal leakage?.

So - owner told me that this is a late 2004 truck sold as 2005 here in Norway. It leaves me with a feeling that this could be one of the first "2005" with its issues more than a late 2004 as I heard the "blurp" thing coming from HPOP erea

Here's the vin they gave me:
1FTNX21PX4ED276563

But here is something wrong as there are 1 digits to many.
By removing the last one (3) or first of the six last (2) - I ended up having a 2004 US made Ford .

What do guys say :-)

Helge

 

Helge, I assume you closed the ipr valve when you leak tested. If not, please let us know.

Second, how long did you conduct the air test. The air has to push all the oil out before you hear the air leak. The blurp could have been the last of the oil getting push out of the hpop.

Some guys say they have to pull the valve covers to really hear the leaks.

 

No I didn't close the valve . I know it said so in the check list , but I didn't have IPR cap/plug to make the wire. That's a faulty check then really - as the air goes trough the HPOP and causes all sorts of noise.
I noticed that it took some time for the air to push the oil out ( dead silent when it did) then I heard a the air coming out.
I reckon this took about a minute or so....


Anywhay - as far as this problem goes - they have decided to take it to a local shop. Deal is to have it diagnosed there, discuss the result and then decide where to start.

Its a 2004 - put under reggo November 29th.
1FTNX21PX4ED27653

Thank you all,
Helge

 

Its a 2004 sale date of April, 2004 so it's got an 04 motor in it, not an 05.

 

The sudden failure points to hpop. You could pull the ipr and inspect (including the screen). Apply a 12 volt current and make sure it clicks shut. Inspect the harness. If it all looks good, I'd be 90%sure it's the hpop.

 

Ended up beeing a looong journey - for the owner.

With your help the culprit where located to be the IPR valve, STC fitting or the ball plug in the HPOP.
I strongly suspected the IPR screen but didn't have the tools needed to pull & check.

The owner sendt it to a local shop that in some way did fix the no start.
They had it for a month and changed the HPOP, IPR, ICP and the EGR cooler - leaving the owner a $9.500.- note with a grin on they're face.
One of they're tec's had a slip with his tounge and told the guy that picked the truck up that " IPR screen where bad" So much for that....
I reckon the IPR screen where the culprit - as stated by you guys earlier.

After this - the owner still had a terrible running truck and asked me for some assistance. I searched this Forum and found that the Injectors where not up to spec and that the unisone ring where not working correctly.

So, I had the turbo apart and replaced the unisone ring together with a billet compressor wheel gen II. Replaced new Injectors together with stand pipes & dummy plug and new O-ring's in the high pressure oil rail that feed the Injectors.

And they got at least 100 horses back.

BTW - when rebulding the turbo I had to take it out. I noticed that the HPOP cover had not been removed and that the turbo had not been worked on (been out) for a long long time.
The only new part I could find where the IPR and the ICP.....

I honestly belive that they replaced the IPR & ICP and had it up running.....

Thank you all for helping me out,
Helge