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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 08:37 AM
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Hot start issues again....

Here is my problem. I have a hot (190 degrees+)no start problem that resolves itself with about 1/2 hour cool down. At approximately 170-180 degrees it will start after 5-10 seconds of cranking. Other info that may help is I used to get 2290 code under WOT (Edge set on #3 or 80 hp tow tune). I now get no codes under WOT. HPO pressure is 585psi desired and actual at idle and 2300 actual at WOT. Desired at WOT is 3700psi. Turbo lag is more pronounced than what I am used to, fuel economy is down a couple mpg, and I have a slightly erratic idle. FICM voltage is 48.5. Is this symptomatic of IPR, HPOP or something else entirely? I have AE if more info is necessary....Truck is in my Sig.
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 09:01 AM
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What is the ICP while cranking when it will not start? Its likely standpipes and or dummy plugs. Are you using OEM oil, fuel and air filters? Disregard the pipes and plugs I just noticed your signature. Still need to know the ICP while cranking when it wont start.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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Mine was the stc fitting on the hpop. Common problem on the 2005's.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 09:46 AM
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Need to figure out if this is a late 04 engine or the 05 engine. Excursion's are different.

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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
Need to figure out if this is a late 04 engine or the 05 engine. Excursion's are different.

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Late '04 engines went in all the 05 Excursions AFAIK.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:02 PM
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There are 05' engines in the late 05 Excursions, you will know by the absence of the EGR throttle plate and the location of the EBP sensor being below the FICM.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
There are 05' engines in the late 05 Excursions, you will know by the absence of the EGR throttle plate and the location of the EBP sensor being below the FICM.
Correct. Those are a couple tell-tale signs plus look at the valve cover Emissions sticker.

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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
What is the ICP while cranking when it will not start? Its likely standpipes and or dummy plugs. Are you using OEM oil, fuel and air filters? Disregard the pipes and plugs I just noticed your signature. Still need to know the ICP while cranking when it wont start.
ICP voltage KOEO is .25
ICP voltage cranking is .35
ICP pressure cranking is 44.75
ICP regulator KOEO is 14.84%
ICP regulator cranking is 84.77%

I disconnected the ICP and it shows 652 psi desired and actual but still no start. I'm not liking the direction this is going...
 
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Originally Posted by ramsay
ICP voltage KOEO is .25
ICP voltage cranking is .35
ICP pressure cranking is 44.75
ICP regulator KOEO is 14.84%
ICP regulator cranking is 84.77%
You likely have a HPO leak, try parking the truck nose down overnight and see if it starts better. Josh is right we need to know if this is the late model 05 with an 05 engine.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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Just reread your initial post, still think it to be a HPO leak, since you have already done the standpipes and dummy plugs the other possibilities would be HPOP or the STC if it is an 05 engine or the orings in the HPO rail or top orings on the injectors, an air test would point you in the right direction,
 
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IPR clogged
HPOP failed
HPOP discharge tube cracked
Rail O-rings

'05 Engine:

STC Fitting
Clogged IPR

Josh
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
You likely have a HPO leak, try parking the truck nose down overnight and see if it starts better. Josh is right we need to know if this is the late model 05 with an 05 engine.
It starts perfect when cold and is a 05 model built in Dec 04.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
Just reread your initial post, still think it to be a HPO leak, since you have already done the standpipes and dummy plugs the other possibilities would be HPOP or the STC if it is an 05 engine or the orings in the HPO rail or top orings on the injectors, an air test would point you in the right direction,
I replaced the top injector orings back in the spring.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2013 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
IPR clogged
HPOP failed
HPOP discharge tube cracked
Rail O-rings

'05 Engine:

STC Fitting
Clogged IPR

Josh
What psi is a HPOP capable of producing? Is 2300 psi in the range?
 
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What psi is a HPOP capable of producing? Is 2300 psi in the range?
4000 psi

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