Ok this is going to be pic heavy but here it goes. My thought on gold are no different than elc. What am I running in my truck now GOLD I will change it after im done with my latest mods to CAT ELC. I did a study on this 1 year ago and took many pictures and I came to a conclusion LACK OF MAINT!! The silicate is not just prone to stick in the oil cooler it sticks everywhere. This I believe is what clog's oil cooler, my pics will show what im saying. The deposits I believe brake off of other parts of the cooling system and the oil cooler catches them and eventually clogs. These pics are trans cooler both sides of radiator and most important heater core. The heater core is the biggest trash can. Everyone always cleans and fluch the crap out of the block but everyone forgets the most important things like the heater core or radiator. Even if you cleaned the block spotless and use vc-9 to corrode and seal the block the peaces will continually brake off the radiator and come out of the heater core just to clog the oil cooler again. I even used C.L.R. and other chemicals but silicate wont desolve! here are the pics . But like another member said we have fleets that flush there coolant every year no matter what and guess what. 200,000 TO 350,000 MILES and same oil coolers. Says a lot doesn't it!!

 

I flushed my cooling system when I got my truck and went back with gold. Many of problems with cooling systems, oil systems, transmissions, etc are caused by a lack of maintenance or abuse.

 

Thanks Guys

 

Personally, I dont think theres anything wrong with the gold, provided proper maintenance is followed. If it makes you happy to change to something else, go for it. If you dont keep up with the maintenance with it, things will fail as well.

 

Bismic I forgot to mention that gold is used in the 6 liter do to the amount of heat from the egr cooler. So if you have removed the egr cooler you may use what you like.

 

you couldnt be any more correct than that.

 

Mark I understand the Qs , and I must add the Ford Gold has changed to a diff mix due to the high silicates , they say same mix diff factory mix, same mix diff water combo source witch could be the Issue with high metal content in all coolent, we are buying at the corp exspence , there for theres no warrentee on coolent. but recommended you have a chance to win the pissin match . 152 thou on Ford Gold Prem no problems. STILL NEED YE,ALL to Comment. wheres Benny and Mike

 

Not sure I completely understand your post.

However, I did want to point out that the Ford Gold is a "Low Silicate" formula.

It meets certain standards to be able to state that. So, based on the ASTM 3306 standard, it can have up to 250 ppm silicates. That is about 1/2 an ounce of silicates in our total coolant charge. That is not enough to account for all the solids people have seen.

That being said, there are PLENTY of other things that can precipitate out or gel up with poor maintenance or abuse.

As for Mike - he has had a LOT on his plate recently (personal and at work). I hope things are improving for him, we do miss his posts!!

 

LMAO--more like herding a flock of hummingbirds.

I'd still like to hear your comments on Stewart's post.......

 

Not ignoring you Tim. I will re-read it more carefully and respond.

In the meantime, here is an interesting thread on International engines (that do NOT use Ford Gold coolant):

http://www.schoolbusfleet.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20233

Here is another good thread (Ignore everything about PSH.com at the end - lol):

http://www.rv.net/forum/Index.cfm/fu...g/25810357.cfm

 

Well just read a bunch of Stewart's post. Definitely good info, I especially agree with the statement on the second page that says the Ford Gold will work. He does say that there are better choices and I do agree with that. I just am not sure to what degree though. I am not sure I am OK with going over 100k on ANY coolant - even the ELC's. IT may be OK, and probably is, I just don't want to risk it (and hesitate recommending to others to do it).

Also - some of the page one info seems more theroretical than practical. Like the discussion on silicates and borates, etc. Yes, they can be abrasive. Yes heat transfer can be inhibited (largely because of very light deposition). HOWEVER, the amounts of these ingredients are small. They can not account for all of the solids plugging 6.0L oil coolers. Additionally, people like Tex, who has 250k miles on his engine, has NOT seen a problem with a water pump, reduced heat transfer (running hot), oil cooler plugging, etc. He has used the Ford Gold since DAY 1 and also is tuned pretty heavy AND has a functional EGR cooler.

Clearly the Ford Gold may not be as detrimental as people seem to think (if everything is properly maintained). I am not saying that the ELC isn't better (I switched to it, so I guess I believe it has advantages). We just need to keep it all in perspective.

I will look for the threads, but I have found a few that identify some chemistry that could polymerize the glycols (with exposure to air, heat, and a catalyst - forming glyoxals - which are corrosive). These folks say that the block heater could play a role. One thread stated that International actually proved that the block heater reacted with some coolants. Some threads actually say that some coolanst can be incompatible with Silicone and Nylon polymers (primarily OAT coolants).

All very interesting stuff.

Just remember - maintenance is a MUST and avoid abuse!!

 

Here is another good thread (Ignore everything about PSH.com at the end - lol):

RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Tow Vehicles: Ford Diesel 6.0, overheat oil EOT/ECT[/QUOTE]

This thread talks about a 2009 flash thats good for 2005 and newer trucks, where a oil cooler issue will cause a check engine light. IS THIS A TRUE STATEMENT?

 

This thread talks about a 2009 flash thats good for 2005 and newer trucks, where a oil cooler issue will cause a check engine light. IS THIS A TRUE STATEMENT?[/QUOTE]

True, but overall that strategy blows chunks

Josh

 

Yes it's a true statement. It compares the ECT and EOT deltas and "BING" you get the little yellow light. I personally don't like the VXCF9 series flash for the 2005 and up trucks. It's another detune although most folks don't notice a difference.

 

Josh, Thanks for posting that link, and it makes sense ,I'm thinking about the Delo ELC. any thoughts on this ? the link is a very good read #4