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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 07:39 AM
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how do I fix the problem?
I'm about as far away from being a body expert as you can get.
I sandblasted my cab several months ago and then sprayed epoxy primer directly on the bare metal. I mixed it as a sealer rather than a primer because this is a loooong term project and its going to be sitting for quite a while before any color goes on it (primer is mixed equal parts of primer and hardener, for a sealer it's mixed 2 parts primer, one part hardener and one part reducer).
I didn't spray a self-etching primer, just used the epoxy. I sprayed it March 15 so it's coming up on four months and there is no sign of any lifting or peeling.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
I'm about as far away from being a body expert as you can get.
I sandblasted my cab several months ago and then sprayed epoxy primer directly on the bare metal. I mixed it as a sealer rather than a primer because this is a loooong term project and its going to be sitting for quite a while before any color goes on it (primer is mixed equal parts of primer and hardener, for a sealer it's mixed 2 parts primer, one part hardener and one part reducer).
I didn't spray a self-etching primer, just used the epoxy. I sprayed it March 15 so it's coming up on four months and there is no sign of any lifting or peeling.
I will +1 on the epoxy on the bare metal on the cowl. I just did a 1:1 mix after taking most of the cowl down the metal and then sprayed high build poly primer on it and just painted the top half of the truck yesterday and it looks great (in my opinion).

This is the best shot of the cowl that I got in the sunlight, but anyway, I would recommend using the epoxy primer.

 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 04:27 PM
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painted the top half of the truck yesterday and it looks great .
That does look nice .
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
That does look nice .
Thanks man! I posted some more pictures in my build thread, if you're interested

As a side note on using epoxy, I'm sure you already know Mike, but anyone spraying that stuff should really get themselves a respirator for when they spray.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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epoxy

The way i had it explained to me,new steel self etching primer,has zinc rust inhibitor,,,,old steel like our trucks epoxy paint,attaches well.But 15 years ago self etching was the bomb.No one mention epoxy paint.that I know of.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 05:06 PM
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Thanks man! I posted some more pictures in my build thread, if you're interested

As a side note on using epoxy, I'm sure you already know Mike, but anyone spraying that stuff should really get themselves a respirator for when they spray.
I've already looked at the other pics, you've got a really, really nice project.
And yeah, isocyanates are nasty stuff, definitely use a respirator. I already knew, but some might not. Thanks for the reminder.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 05:18 PM
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Thanks for responding, guys. So, where do I go from here? Should I just feather out the parts that are flaking and spray the whole thing with epoxy? Or does the entire coat need to come off before spraying the epoxy?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 05:54 PM
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Thanks for responding, guys. So, where do I go from here? Should I just feather out the parts that are flaking and spray the whole thing with epoxy? Or does the entire coat need to come off before spraying the epoxy?
As much as I hate to say it, I would take it back down to metal and start over.
If it's peeling in one area, there's no way to be sure it won't do it in other areas once the color is on.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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Never seen etching prime flake off after applied, but I have seen rust come thru it if not top coated
 
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Originally Posted by F-250 restorer
Thanks for responding, guys. So, where do I go from here? Should I just feather out the parts that are flaking and spray the whole thing with epoxy? Or does the entire coat need to come off before spraying the epoxy?
All you have to go thru is the etching primer to get back to metal. As MikeoOoOo stated, no guarantee the rest of it won't flake.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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I really wanted to be done with the louvers. I can't tell you how many times I've sanded them. So, just to make sure that I understand, I'm going to shoot epoxy primer right over the bare metal, right? I'll go back and reread the thread. If you've already stated the procedure please don't bother doing it again.

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Old Jul 6, 2014 | 11:05 AM
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Just to chime in, I have only ever used Dupont DTM Epoxy Primer (2510s White) and have never had an issue with the cowl peeling.

Josh
 
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Old Jul 6, 2014 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by F-250 restorer
I really wanted to be done with the louvers. I can't tell you how many times I've sanded them. So, just to make sure that I understand, I'm going to shoot epoxy primer right over the bare metal, right? I'll go back and reread the thread. If you've already stated the procedure please don't bother doing it again.

Kevin.
Yeah, that's what I did. I sprayed the epoxy primer directly over bare metal. The tech sheet said that this was acceptable.
I really understand about the louvers. I sandblasted my cab so I didn't have to sand them to apply the epoxy, but when I sprayed it, it dried with a slightly rough texture. I wanted a smooth to the touch finish before I went any further so I had to sand.....and sand......and sand the louvers. It's not hard at all, just really, really tedious.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2014 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
I've already looked at the other pics, you've got a really, really nice project.
And yeah, isocyanates are nasty stuff, definitely use a respirator. I already knew, but some might not. Thanks for the reminder.
Thanks man! But yeah, that stuff will mess you up, I just wanted to let anyone know who reads this thread in the future so no problem.

Originally Posted by F-250 restorer
I really wanted to be done with the louvers. I can't tell you how many times I've sanded them. So, just to make sure that I understand, I'm going to shoot epoxy primer right over the bare metal, right? I'll go back and reread the thread. If you've already stated the procedure please don't bother doing it again.

Kevin.
Yeah they suck to sand, definitely don't want to have to do it again anytime soon. I epoxy'd right on bare metal, that's the first coat of primer that is on my truck. I didn't take the whole truck down to bare metal, but most of the bed was.

I'll also add that I used Eastwood epoxy primer, and can vouch for the quality, if you want to look into it.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 09:35 PM
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So I asked for epoxy primer and the guy gave me a high build poly primer. He said it's dry in 20 minutes so be careful. Tomorrow I am going to spray. Is poly primer the correct stuff? Thanks guys. k
 
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