To the OP check out this post.It's one of the 6.0 guys on his rebuild of his
engine for his 6.0
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...oval-pics.html
He goes from start to finish.

Sean

 

Hello all,,, first off,,, long before anyone calls one of those engine rebuilders that ships you a reman long block,,, call me. Anthony. 1(816)548-6970. I have first hand experience with a couple of them. If you want me to throw them under the bus on here,,, I got no prob with that, But I am not gonna bash someone just to do it. I just think before someone shells out $7-8k on a "remanufactured" engine. They should know what to expect.

As far as the ford long block,,, I've also got first hand experience with that also. If you have the $$$$. It's a done deal. The only down side, no studs. Two year unlimited mileage is unbeatable. And they have a no risk core charge.... Which means you can beat your old engine with a chain,,, n they done charge you any extra.

I think it's about a 30hr book time job.

I am the op that did the r&r in my driveway. It took forever cause I tried to go the reman route. Screw those companies. Blackwater used copper gasket spray on the head gaskets. Victor reinz gaskets at that!!!! Performance machine n manufacturing used different studs n victor reinz gaskets,,, even tho arp's n oem gaskets were demanded. Ok, heck with it,,, I just want people to know what to expect if they go that route. Matt at performance machine might just call me about this post, since he thinks he made me happy with a full refund,,, But the month I spent bs'ing with them was free I guess.

Bottom line,,, if you really want to know what you have,, do it yourself,,, if you want it done quickly and properly,,, the dealer is a great option. But definitely ask the tech if he knows what ARP's are. If he won't install them,,,, I'd be towing it to a different dealer. Spring for a better than stock egr cooler also. You can research that. I'd like to follow this situation either way.

 

The key word I read was DOWNPAYMENT!!! He'd own what he has now,,, Besides,,, there's no "hopefully" installed right,,, it's a ford crate engine, installed by a ford dealer, with a nationwide 2 yr warranty. If the truck has been beat up n not taken care of, then possibly trade it in. But as far as my truck goes,,, I keep up on maintenance, and fix stuff when it breaks,,, I'm very confident there ain't a truck on "carmax's" lot that would hold a candle to mine. I know that wasn't your quote, just sayin. It depends on how he feels about the truck,,, he knows if the truck has been taken care of. Quick question,,, I think if trading in is an option, how long is the list of little things that need fixed on your truck. Do you live with "little" issues??? If so, and thinking that trading in is the answer, the new truck will eventually be in the same shape as the one that was traded in. Dunno if my point was conveyed in an understandable manner,,, but it just my thoughts. Main question is, do you like the truck??? Personally,, I wouldn't do it to an 03-04, I like the suspension, interior, and front end of an 05-07 much better,,, but that's also why I have the year I do. And I've had two 06's. hope I didn't offend anyone, but I spent a chunk of cash and learned some hard lessons,, so I'm kinda passionate about it.

 

The short story on Blackwater engines is "Don't do it" Run (6.0) RUN Far Far away! I ended up with an engine just barely in spec that blew it's gaskets within the first few hundred miles.

 

Creator,
Do you still have a link to the photos you posted? You should go ahead and give the link.

I think that myself and Anthony have the special tools to set the 2 crank seals
and the cam to crank timing tool. I think that Creator may have some of them also.
I don't know who else has a set and can tell you that they are a good size investment.
The tools I don't have are the injector and glow plug sleeve tools. But I hear that
is not some thing you really want to do.


Sean

 

I am the second owner of this truck and yes it is well maintained and serviced from grille gaurd to tow ball as I said yes it is my work truck and as my work truck I mean travel and haul my crew from drilling rig to drilling rig to home,SAFELY
4X4 on bad or icy hiways .
I have had one issue since I bought it the ECS was starting to go out a couple of year's ago it was replaced and has been fine since.
If I go new I told the dealership I want new top to bottom he is trying to tell me that they don't offer it with a new turbo-I call bull chit
for that much money I am going to get what I want not what he want's.

Another thought has anyone heard of the BLACK MAMBA CRATE MOTOR
425hp+ and 885FT/LBS of TORQUE
Then buy a new turbo and put on it.???

I need to pull the trigger soon I have to leave back to work on the 12 of Febuary.

 

Yes, Bull chit on the no turbo. The ford crate engine is complete. Was you talking to the parts counter, or the service advisor? I would go to the parts counter for info on it.

 

Thank you
I was talking to the service advisor and he was talking with the part's counter,Look's like I need to talk to them for my self.

 

If I had known what I was getting into with Blackwater, I would have gone with the Black Mamba crate motor. Upgraded from the inside out, why not. With all of the downtime, frustration, added costs, etc. I've endured I could have easily paid for it.

Blackwater Engine pics:
Victor Reinz head gasket with copper coat and black paint. (were they trying to cover up the part number?)


Here's a poor quality video walkaround I did. Note the paint job with cheap paint.... A 3 year old could have done a better job painting it. I had to clean pain off of every single gasket surface.


I'll be posting more on the whole thing in a couple weeks when certain time frames have expired. Feel free to PM or call with any questions.

If you go with Blackwater you might just get an old tired block, bored 4 over (.040) with an old crank that may or may not have a slight imbalance to it.

 

Thanks for the head's up about Blackwater engines.
Man I really don't know what to do
who sell's a good crate motor for the 6.0L
Dealer say's get a new truck

I am Torn between my FORD'S

 

Too bad your not local to me I would say come one over and we could build this.
The only tool I don't have and really need to get is the heavy duty engine stand
Norco 78200A Engine Repair Stand

They tend to be a bit on the higher side of stands but well worth it with an
engine this heavy.
It is really not that hard to build up an engine. The guys trying to pull
every cent out of the job tend to cut too many corners for my liking.
The only other things you will need is a good machine shop and some skills
and the books for the specifications and time so you can do a good job.

Sean

 

Be ware that higher hp motors like the black mamba are basically a stock block and the increased power is tuning. Likely not the best tuning.

 

Well that even hurts worse talked with my dealer banker at the ford house I thought I owed around $2500.00 shoot I owe $1900.00 left he does not want to put a new engine in it-saying the truck will not be worth it in the end and I could probably trade it in for what I owe on it--Really $1942.00

I Bought the truck through him 3 yrs ago this coming August traded in my 97 F-250 7.3 they gave me $3000.00 and $2000.00 cash with fianance charges the truck was $18000.00 It had 120000 miles on it.

I am not rich by no means just a oilfield hand that has alot of toy's and make's my payment's
I have this truck my harley davidson the fifth wheel and the ATV all fiananced through this same place yeah the dealer and me live on my budget lol.
He is saying we need to fix the truck for $5000.00 or trade it and start over with a new truck of course fiananced through him.

I dont know what to do really I like this truck it has been a good one up to now.

 

Man, I feel your pain. I'm really sorry to hear of your troubles and the predicament you're in.

I'm no 6.0 expert, so maybe this is a dumb question but...do you really *NEED* a new engine. Does the possibility exist that you could spend quite a bit less to repair whatever is wrong with it, and use the money saved to start a fund to buy another truck a few months down the road?

 

Just depends on what I can get the techs to do I don't know