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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 09:38 PM
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C6 fluid amount.

I want to drop the pan on my 79 4x4 400 C6 trans.
How many qts are in the pan?
According to my Chilton, i need 13 qts to do a full flush, is this correct?
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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I dont know how much fluid goes in but what type of fluid do you put in a c6? I been using Dex/merc and I think thats why my c6 is burning fluid..
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 10:04 PM
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Pull the dip stick on the trans and it will say type f, or cj, or dex. Cj and dex are the same thing. Usually 77 and later are dexron same as cj. If you are getting burnt fluid after changing it problably time for a rebuild. I know sucks.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 10:08 PM
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OOPS sorry. Converter 4qts, shallow pan 4qts, 4x4 pan around 10 to 12 qts.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 10:57 PM
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C6: 1966/76: C1AZ-19582-A = Type F // 1977/97: XT-2 QDX = MERCON aka Dextron II.

I've never heard of any ATF referred to as 'CJ' and it's not listed in the parts catalogs.

Dextron is a GM term.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by duallyhauler
OOPS sorry. Converter 4qts, shallow pan 4qts, 4x4 pan around 10 to 12 qts.
10 to 12 qts or pints?
Seems like a lot of fluid for just a filter change isn't it?

Its been awhile since Ive done a pan drop on any auto trans, so forgive me if i doubt you don't mean any offense.

I plan on using Type F fluid, just so the previous poster knows.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 11:06 PM
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Go ahead and use Type F, but after 1976, it wasn't used in C6's or C4's. Just in FMX's.

C6: 13 quarts including torque converter. I charged out that amount on customer pay/warranty R/O's for 31 years.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Go ahead and use Type F, but after 1976, it wasn't used in C6's or C4's. Just in FMX's.

C6: 13 quarts including torque converter. I charged out that amount on customer pay/warranty R/O's for 31 years.
Ok so about 9-10 qts just for a pan drop?
I'll just buy 10 just to be safe.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 11:37 PM
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Pan drop: No more than 3 or 4 quarts depending on application. Usually charged out 3 quarts along with the filter & gasket.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 11:48 PM
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ND thanks.
I think i will do the pan and TQ at the same time then.
 
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Starting with 1977, Ford specified Type CJ Fluid (ESP-M2C138-CJ) in the C-6 transmission. It had a yellow look, not red. Look in a '77 and later manual, or just flip a quart of Mercon or Mercon V trans fluid over and read it as they both back cover it's apps.
If dealing with a 76 or earlier C-6 that has never been rebuilt, use Type F as that is what came in it and likely has been used (or should have).
If rebuilding a 76 or earlier C-6, then you can use Mercon or Mercon V (Type CJ is no longer made) as all frictions and seals are new.

Or just google ESP-M2C138-CJ or Type CJ fluid (as opposed to ESW-M2C33-F or Type F fluid).

For example .... Mobile Oil says :
ATF | Mobil™ Type F ATF
Mobil Type F ATF is not recommended for automatic transmissions in Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, American Motors, or any other cars requiring a Dexron-II, Dexron-IIE, Dexron-III or Mercon-approved fluid, or for those Ford products requiring an M2C138CJ (Type CJ) fluid or an M2C166H (Type H) fluid. For the above applications, Mobil ATF D/M (Dexron/Mercon) or Mobil Multi-Vehicle ATF are recommended.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/atf.htm

 
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What is the diff. Between type f fluid and dex. And are there any problems using type f in a 78 c -6
 
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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 12:37 PM
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I used dex/merc when I changed mine (filter and draining the TC) along with a can of seafoam transtune. Including that can I used about 8qts to fill it back up. I didn't drain the cooler though (forgot). The main difference between the fluids is the additives, i.e. friction modifiers, anti-foaming, etc...
 
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