Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Go Faster Play Time With Computer Programs!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:49 AM
  #1  
Blown349's Avatar
Blown349
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
Go Faster Play Time With Computer Programs!

Happy B-day to me! Got some F-off time and this is what I am enjoying this morning.

I have been playing with my rig on the computer. I was recently spurred by Conanski to upgrade to Desktop Dyno 2003 from 2000. I also got Drag 2003, found a good spreadsheet to see shift points and a speed/rpm calculator to choose shift points in my Tweecer tune. While I might think I am Ricky Racer, I am not but this is what I have found.

I found a most cool spread sheet to look at shift points, torque and horsepower. I used my DD03 dyno output to complete the spreadsheet and used the spreadsheet and MPH/RPM calc to reprogram my shift points. MPH/RPM calc: RPM/MPH From Gear Ratio Calculator by Wallace Racing



Inputs, torque in each gear at tranny output:


RPM after shift


Torque at tranny output shaft vs engine RPM:
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:50 AM
  #2  
Blown349's Avatar
Blown349
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
What this spreadsheet, Desktop Dyno 2003, and Drag 2003 taught me or reinforced, is that you want to shift at red line to get the most speed, best time over a distance. Nothing new here but it illustrates that fact well. If you look at the torque output at 5,600rpm in 1st VS. hitting second, at any RPM, there is a huge difference in power! The same goes for staying in second as long as you can before 3rd. The spreadsheet allows you to play with different transmissions or gear ratios to get the most out of your power/engine build.

 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:50 AM
  #3  
Blown349's Avatar
Blown349
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
The second thing the spread sheet reinforces is the fact that the more power you have at higher rpm and the longer the engine will make it, the faster you will cover a distance. This is why cams selected for drag racing make more power up high and into higher RPM. DD03 helps you build to get the most power and Drag03 lets you simulate what differences in gearing and build can make in elapsed time.

The cam I am using, left over from my rock crawler, makes great torque down at low rpm and drops off at high rpm. I used a gear/speed calculator to choose shift points. Here: http://www.wallaceracing.com/gear-speed.php When my rig shifts, at 5,500rpm, it was putting out 1,160ftlbs at the tranny tail shaft (from spreadsheet). That's 100ftlbs less torque than whats available at 2,000rpm! It is picking-up 2nd at about 3,150rpm (from spreadsheet). So I am missing the great torque the old, go slower, crawl cam make down low! A similar thing happens from 2nd to 3rd, it's hitting 3rd around 3,600rpm. Now all the power is there on launch, cause it's got to climb through the rpms, from launch rpm of about 2,300, but it's too much for my tires to grab. It's wasted down low, kinda feels, looks and sounds impressive but it ain't moving! My shift points are a bit conservative, which means I could go a bit faster, red line is about 6,500 but I want to keep this thing together and the torque does drop off.

I am going to back-up a bit and post my current DD03 output and Drag03 simulation. Then I will post up the output for the same build with a better cam and tires for lower times from point A to B. I checked DD03 against stock engine outputs and it is accurate.









"Wheel Speed" is greater than rig speed down low, what's that all about?
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:50 AM
  #4  
Blown349's Avatar
Blown349
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
The power output utilizing Crane's 220 cam, note the higher rpm power:






Shifting spreadsheet with Crane 220:





 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:50 AM
  #5  
Blown349's Avatar
Blown349
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
Same build but with Cranes 220 cam and added performance street tires for better grip:



Much less wheel spin!


The Desktop Dyno 2003 Software has been awesome to play with and relatively inexpensive. Cheap when you consider the help it gives and the mistakes it might keep you from making with a build. I highly suggest it as well as the Drag simulation. You can download a demo for free then activate for a fee.

Note: I don't have tires to go that fast, nor the injectors to support that cam, nor the proper flowing Kenne Bell Blowzilla intake, and I would likely have to upgrade the fuel lines, plus a cage would be in order to run that fast. I'll stick and work with what I have a bit.

I am intrigued that Drag03 shows that if I add better tires to minimize wheel spin, it would drop to around a 6sec. 0-60 and 14.6sec 1/4. Just Tires! I can't launch now at full throttle without wasting tires.

Any questions?
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 01:14 PM
  #6  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,789
Likes: 1,753
From: Kentucky
Great info there Swat....ummmmm Blown349!
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RainDesert
2017 - 2022 Super Duty
3
Jul 18, 2017 03:26 PM
ExPACamper
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
50
Aug 13, 2015 08:17 AM
Neal 97 250
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
48
Aug 6, 2010 05:42 PM
TMI
335 Series- 5.8/351M, 6.6/400, 351 Cleveland
20
Jan 22, 2010 11:57 PM
dyoung14
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
25
Nov 29, 2009 05:21 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:50 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE