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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 04:52 PM
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some 5.4 2v questions

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I recently purchased a 2000 F150 it had been my dads before it was sold and then it was offered to me after the guy who bought it ruined the transmission. The truck has the 5.4 2v and i have been researching about it for a couple weeks and i feel pretty confident in asking a couples questions. First questions is i have heard mention swaping out the 5.4 2v for a navigator 5.4 4v and from what i read is that it has more power from doing so, My question is though does this eliminate the possablity of having the spark plug blow out? also will the mpg be better as a result? I realise this might of been answered in the past but i have searched and have not found a deffinative answer. My other question is the transmission in the truck is toast no forward gears are present only reverse. Is it better to rebuild this transmission or find a low mileage one from a junk yard? Also in case i didn't mention the truck is a 2000 F150 4x4 supercab and it is Bright red. Thanks as always for anyhelp answering these questions!
 
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 01:16 PM
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Just my opinion but you have a large expense to repair the transmission and do a complex motor swap.
Get codes read to see what shows up for the transmission.
Then consider what to do with the trans based on diagnostic info.
In any event you need to get the trans going first before deciding on a hot rod motor change.
If the motor runs ok and needs little I would stay with it until a later time when you may change you position on the motor.
The Lincoln depends on what year and how it is equipped to know what PCM changes might have to be made.
It can get complicated for you.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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I think Bluegrass is trying to be nice. You could be in for major changes in control system with a new version motor. Better to stick to the 2000-2004 if you need one.. you may not. I agree, fix the trans first. Have someone give a price to tear it down and rebuild. If you get a "used" it might be hard to know the history and miles.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 07:04 AM
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I think Bluegrass is trying to be nice. You could be in for major changes in control system with a new version motor. Better to stick to the 2000-2004 if you need one.. you may not. I agree, fix the trans first. Have someone give a price to tear it down and rebuild. If you get a "used" it might be hard to know the history and miles.

Thank you both for the replys! However did i post something that could of otherwise been replied back to in a rude or unpostive way? As far as the navigator engine swap goes for the last couple weeks i have been researching ways to get around the spark plug blow out issues and i keep coming back to several people in other forums suggesting 5.4 4v navigator swap from a 00-04 year lincolin navigator? since i was ignorant to this or with out knowledge I simply ask here. I am not a hot rod person I like reliablity and dependablity more than high performance and big dollars Mods. as far as the transmission goes naturaly that is my biggest concern and will be the first thing on my list to do so that i can have it driving and ready for the winter time when i will need it the most. I trust this forum and the knowledge of you guys so when i am without knowledge i ask questions. I my sincere appoligies if i have offended anyone or step on someones toes.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 08:12 AM
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You are looking at a several thousand dollar solution for something that probably won't happen and if it does it is a few hundred bucks to re thread the hole.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 01:05 PM
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This is the third time in the last month someone has come back feeling insulted with a reply that was non insulting.
Some people just see things differently I guess like were supposed to read their mind.
It usualy shows in their second post like this one.
Good luck in whatever you do.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 07:07 PM
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John, if ANYONE is indecisive...it's me...

You know this to be a fact...

I'm gonna lean on the shovel the others are leaning on for this one..

Fix the transmission first...

Fords' grand idea to fix a blown out spark plug was a $500 ($50) Heli-Coil....Simple as that....Then you got to pay their nice labor rates, a $500 deductible, etc...

So I agree that fixing the transmission first is a step in the right direction....At least it'll be drivable at that point...Then, if you start firing off plugs....Stock up on Heli-Coils...

Otherwise...I can't really give any input....


Other than, another agreement with the others...The 5.4 swap, while being a plug and play deal essentially, will start nicke/diming you to death...

Not to mention worst case scenario: You get mid swap, and find out the Computers are different, etc and you're stalled dead in the water...
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 07:14 PM
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K thanks... once again I wasn't offended however the swap wasn't in the near future just I seen the info on another forum and it was made to sound simple.. that's why i ask about it....I smelled the bull**** on the simplicity part...as far as immediately I just wanna drive it as is when tyranny is rebuilt.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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Country, Swapping in the 5.4 DOHC is a PITA. And that's an understatement. You would need a custom tune, electrical work to match up the harnesses and pins with the different sensor locations. Fly by wire vs throttle cable, COMPTELY different intake.... the list is long, ponderous and EXPENSIVE. Think 5k for a used setup. before you start splicing and buying parts. Ive done a LOT of research in this and run around the wiring diagrams. It's not worth your time. As a toy that you can work on it as you please... it'd be GREAT! But for a truck used alot of the time, it's highly inadvisable. Look up grampy66 i think, he had a swap do the shop and they ran into technical issues. It's not straightforward like it used to be As previously mentioned, just rebuild the trans and then find a toy. A budget for the 5.4 DOHC swap should be aobut $10k just fyi. Best of luck!
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 09:02 PM
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country, i was not trying to insult or being insulted. Bluegrass said it can be done if you know the year and prep for computer changes. When i said "he is trying to be nice" i ment what he said was somewhat encouraging to your project... In reality i agree with TEX,, its a PITA and THATS AN UNDERSTATEMENT !... no disprespect intended.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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country, i was not trying to insult or being insulted. Bluegrass said it can be done if you know the year and prep for computer changes. When i said "he is trying to be nice" i ment what he said was somewhat encouraging to your project... In reality i agree with TEX,, its a PITA and THATS AN UNDERSTATEMENT !... no disprespect intended.
Hey I understand. I will never have 10k to invest in an engine swap and I was getting conflicting infomation. one person said it was a plug and play install even down to the 5.4 2v computer being able to run the engine with only a tune done on the computer. However as i expected you guys have confirmed what i thought. anyways the 5.4 2v was just fine with me when i was driving it back and forth to work in jan-march before my parents sold it. I know the truck i am not sure what all has happend since my wifes cousin bought it from my folks but from what i do know it was still running just as good as it did the day they sold it. The transmission still goes in reverse but it has no forward gears. I expect that it will need a complete rebuild so thats an expense.. as well were the truck has been setting since june the tires need to be replaced. I know that my pocket book will be lighter for the transmission and tires. Once again i really do appreciate everyone of you guys for posting. Right now i am in a wheelchair until october and this is my way to interact and ask questions until i am given the okay to start walking again. Besides we are one big family here and we are all in love with ford trucks. which is what brings us together on this site.
Thanks again you guys for the help!
 
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