DP Tuner Question
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Joined: Jan 2011
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From: Puget Sound
Have you run ANY other tuner to base your wide ranging and completely uneducated opinion?
Dp's special chip is nothing more then a special chip... Expensive, not compatible with anyone else and once you have it, your locked to there tuning...
You dont need to change tunes if you have a tuner that can write a tune that doesnt give you 80% of the TPS at 30%...
I run one tune 95% of the time, as I have said before... So does my wife in her Excursion...
Get a good tuner, with good tunes and you will forget where the "switcher" is.
Dp's special chip is nothing more then a special chip... Expensive, not compatible with anyone else and once you have it, your locked to there tuning...
You dont need to change tunes if you have a tuner that can write a tune that doesnt give you 80% of the TPS at 30%...
I run one tune 95% of the time, as I have said before... So does my wife in her Excursion...
Get a good tuner, with good tunes and you will forget where the "switcher" is.
- Heavy towing? Covered.
- Racing? Got it.
- Upgrading your sticks? Already in there.
- Changed to BTS tranny? Just push the pedal and don't sweat it.
- Want to buy the quiet tune for running at the coffee window? It's all good, just chill.
- Whatever you do, don't touch the shiny **** that we sold you... life will be whole and complete without any input from you.
One could take this as a dislike of me personally... which is good for popcorn sales, but I'd rather have a healthy debate on our own thread and not hijack this one.
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From: Bristol Tn
Nothing bad to say about them I just don't care for how the truck shifts and waiting three months to have the tunes looked at to see if somthing is wrong. I can understand that they stay very busy so I figure its about time to try someone new.
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Mountain Pass
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Not sure what you mean by "death rattle"...please educate me on what to listen for.
I run with 3 7.3s, 4 6.0s, a 6.4 (not sure, if that is correct, its the one after the 6.0), a Duramax and a Dodge and the only ones less noisy than mine is the 6.4 and Duramax.
Not too brand loyal to not look at another chip, but right now the DP is doing the job I need done, and if the "death rattle" is just a noise issue or truly damaging to the engine, please let me know.
Thanks,
Chips2000
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From: Sterling Heights,Mi
Not sure what you mean by "death rattle"...please educate me on what to listen for.
I run with 3 7.3s, 4 6.0s, a 6.4 (not sure, if that is correct, its the one after the 6.0), a Duramax and a Dodge and the only ones less noisy than mine is the 6.4 and Duramax.
Not too brand loyal to not look at another chip, but right now the DP is doing the job I need done, and if the "death rattle" is just a noise issue or truly damaging to the engine, please let me know.
Thanks,
Chips2000
I run with 3 7.3s, 4 6.0s, a 6.4 (not sure, if that is correct, its the one after the 6.0), a Duramax and a Dodge and the only ones less noisy than mine is the 6.4 and Duramax.
Not too brand loyal to not look at another chip, but right now the DP is doing the job I need done, and if the "death rattle" is just a noise issue or truly damaging to the engine, please let me know.
Thanks,
Chips2000
but I believe what he is refering to is more injector noise, and yes, for a time my truck was louder then the guy next me.(I was faster thought) But, when I had my truck reprogrammed 2 years ago, it got quieter.
I was live tuned just a week ago ( thanks Petey), and now she is even more quiet running the 80e.
Upgrades from DP cost 25.00 for changes in shifts or for a change in injectors, but every 2 years or so, if you send your chip in, or email, you can get the latest and geatest of your tunes that Jody ( DP ) has out there for free.
As you can see, SOME on here take the tuner debate a little to personal, but you can get a good amount of info from here, and although I have only met one other Tuner ( Brian at BTS ). THere seems to be more bickering here on the forums about whose is better then there are between the tuners themselves.
Now I wait for Diane to come in correct me if I have stated something wrong..
Morning all,
Hotshot
Joined: Jan 2011
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From: Puget Sound
My truck is definitely louder in an elevated HP tune compared to stock. I've read many posts on the details of tuning and many opinions on how best to tune. My PM inbox gets all kinds of cool inside info from time to time and I've spent a lot of time on the phone with James at DP Tuner regarding tuning and the "tone" of the tuning business and competition. This is a business of the biggest mass-produced personal vehicles/engines being tuned to make more power - and there's enough testosterone in the business to hose down a forest fire.
Advancing the timing on the diesel fuel injection makes more knock (CSIPSD is calling this the "death rattle") the same way advancing spark on a gasser makes a knock. Anybody who has timed a gasser knows the power is as close to the knock as possible (without going into it) and less powerful timing is quieter. This is where the F6 comes in handy for me: I pick up the phone or the keyboard and tell DP my engine has too much knock and they email my tunes with quieter settings - maybe it's timing, maybe it's something else on my aging injector/fuel system - I'm not the expert. I can tell you the subject of timing has been discussed to my satisfaction and DP takes great pride in getting the timing right (as well as all other tuning settings) when they get accurate feedback from the customer.
I've surmised CSIPSD had something bad happened to his engine while he was running DP (I could be wrong)... explaining his vehement opposition to DP. Not being there if/when it happened - I don't know if this was a problem with the tune, the engine, or the operation. I make no accusations - I say I don't know. CSIPSD has also made a valid point (in other posts) about the throttle being set to be very sensitive in DP tunes - this gives the driver more of an impression of a responsive/fast vehicle. I feel my 60e tune is just right, but my 80e is a little too sensitive. I may or may not ask DP to do something about this, but I have learned to just adjust my foot for the sensitivity or switch to another tune when I need to be gentle. Again, we're back to having the feature of being able to have the tunes emailed if I want to tweak them.
As for PHP, I checked their Facebook page out last night and they are being apologetic for the delays on getting the tunes out and they are taking measures to correct this. I have personally had zero issues with customer service at DP, and I have asked a lot out of them - anybody who has read my posts knows I have OCD and I'm a picky SOB.
Advancing the timing on the diesel fuel injection makes more knock (CSIPSD is calling this the "death rattle") the same way advancing spark on a gasser makes a knock. Anybody who has timed a gasser knows the power is as close to the knock as possible (without going into it) and less powerful timing is quieter. This is where the F6 comes in handy for me: I pick up the phone or the keyboard and tell DP my engine has too much knock and they email my tunes with quieter settings - maybe it's timing, maybe it's something else on my aging injector/fuel system - I'm not the expert. I can tell you the subject of timing has been discussed to my satisfaction and DP takes great pride in getting the timing right (as well as all other tuning settings) when they get accurate feedback from the customer.
I've surmised CSIPSD had something bad happened to his engine while he was running DP (I could be wrong)... explaining his vehement opposition to DP. Not being there if/when it happened - I don't know if this was a problem with the tune, the engine, or the operation. I make no accusations - I say I don't know. CSIPSD has also made a valid point (in other posts) about the throttle being set to be very sensitive in DP tunes - this gives the driver more of an impression of a responsive/fast vehicle. I feel my 60e tune is just right, but my 80e is a little too sensitive. I may or may not ask DP to do something about this, but I have learned to just adjust my foot for the sensitivity or switch to another tune when I need to be gentle. Again, we're back to having the feature of being able to have the tunes emailed if I want to tweak them.
As for PHP, I checked their Facebook page out last night and they are being apologetic for the delays on getting the tunes out and they are taking measures to correct this. I have personally had zero issues with customer service at DP, and I have asked a lot out of them - anybody who has read my posts knows I have OCD and I'm a picky SOB.
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Bend, OR
Not sure what you mean by "death rattle"...please educate me on what to listen for.
I run with 3 7.3s, 4 6.0s, a 6.4 (not sure, if that is correct, its the one after the 6.0), a Duramax and a Dodge and the only ones less noisy than mine is the 6.4 and Duramax.
Not too brand loyal to not look at another chip, but right now the DP is doing the job I need done, and if the "death rattle" is just a noise issue or truly damaging to the engine, please let me know.
Thanks,
Chips2000
I run with 3 7.3s, 4 6.0s, a 6.4 (not sure, if that is correct, its the one after the 6.0), a Duramax and a Dodge and the only ones less noisy than mine is the 6.4 and Duramax.
Not too brand loyal to not look at another chip, but right now the DP is doing the job I need done, and if the "death rattle" is just a noise issue or truly damaging to the engine, please let me know.
Thanks,
Chips2000
DP Drive thru tune Trucks Cold - YouTube
No death rattle...
Cold start 2001 Excursion - YouTube
no death rattle...
Sound like a motor ready to go??? - YouTube
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Bend, OR
My truck is definitely louder in an elevated HP tune compared to stock. I've read many posts on the details of tuning and many opinions on how best to tune. My PM inbox gets all kinds of cool inside info from time to time and I've spent a lot of time on the phone with James at DP Tuner regarding tuning and the "tone" of the tuning business and competition. This is a business of the biggest mass-produced personal vehicles/engines being tuned to make more power - and there's enough testosterone in the business to hose down a forest fire.
Advancing the timing on the diesel fuel injection makes more knock (CSIPSD is calling this the "death rattle") the same way advancing spark on a gasser makes a knock. Anybody who has timed a gasser knows the power is as close to the knock as possible (without going into it) and less powerful timing is quieter. This is where the F6 comes in handy for me: I pick up the phone or the keyboard and tell DP my engine has too much knock and they email my tunes with quieter settings - maybe it's timing, maybe it's something else on my aging injector/fuel system - I'm not the expert. I can tell you the subject of timing has been discussed to my satisfaction and DP takes great pride in getting the timing right (as well as all other tuning settings) when they get accurate feedback from the customer.
I've surmised CSIPSD had something bad happened to his engine while he was running DP (I could be wrong)... explaining his vehement opposition to DP. Not being there if/when it happened - I don't know if this was a problem with the tune, the engine, or the operation. I make no accusations - I say I don't know. CSIPSD has also made a valid point (in other posts) about the throttle being set to be very sensitive in DP tunes - this gives the driver more of an impression of a responsive/fast vehicle. I feel my 60e tune is just right, but my 80e is a little too sensitive. I may or may not ask DP to do something about this, but I have learned to just adjust my foot for the sensitivity or switch to another tune when I need to be gentle. Again, we're back to having the feature of being able to have the tunes emailed if I want to tweak them.
As for PHP, I checked their Facebook page out last night and they are being apologetic for the delays on getting the tunes out and they are taking measures to correct this. I have personally had zero issues with customer service at DP, and I have asked a lot out of them - anybody who has read my posts knows I have OCD and I'm a picky SOB.
Advancing the timing on the diesel fuel injection makes more knock (CSIPSD is calling this the "death rattle") the same way advancing spark on a gasser makes a knock. Anybody who has timed a gasser knows the power is as close to the knock as possible (without going into it) and less powerful timing is quieter. This is where the F6 comes in handy for me: I pick up the phone or the keyboard and tell DP my engine has too much knock and they email my tunes with quieter settings - maybe it's timing, maybe it's something else on my aging injector/fuel system - I'm not the expert. I can tell you the subject of timing has been discussed to my satisfaction and DP takes great pride in getting the timing right (as well as all other tuning settings) when they get accurate feedback from the customer.
I've surmised CSIPSD had something bad happened to his engine while he was running DP (I could be wrong)... explaining his vehement opposition to DP. Not being there if/when it happened - I don't know if this was a problem with the tune, the engine, or the operation. I make no accusations - I say I don't know. CSIPSD has also made a valid point (in other posts) about the throttle being set to be very sensitive in DP tunes - this gives the driver more of an impression of a responsive/fast vehicle. I feel my 60e tune is just right, but my 80e is a little too sensitive. I may or may not ask DP to do something about this, but I have learned to just adjust my foot for the sensitivity or switch to another tune when I need to be gentle. Again, we're back to having the feature of being able to have the tunes emailed if I want to tweak them.
As for PHP, I checked their Facebook page out last night and they are being apologetic for the delays on getting the tunes out and they are taking measures to correct this. I have personally had zero issues with customer service at DP, and I have asked a lot out of them - anybody who has read my posts knows I have OCD and I'm a picky SOB.
I have run EVERY tuner out there, not just for a day, or three but for months, some years.
You do NOT need a tune for this towing weight, or that towing weight or that economy or this race...
I have a six pos chip, but could do EVERYTHING I need to do with one, maybe two settings. I have pulled my TT in the drag file, and it pulls fine... Little smoky off the line is about the biggest issue, and then once the turbo lights and the back in breaks loose...LOL
But 90% of the time I am in my Street Hot file. I tow 10-18k regular at that setting.
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i agree with joe.....get a ts chip and have swamps - gearhead or beans tune it.....ive ran dp and now have 2 ts chips.....one has swamps tunes the other gearhead....like them both....hard to decide between the 2 but definitely like them both over dp....
Postmaster
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Bend, OR
All those trucks are mine.
The first one is 238cc/100 hybrids and DP tuning
The second is 160cc AC's and DI tuning
The third is 250cc/200 hybrids and Swamps tuning...
Just wait a few days until I get these new tunes, if they idle half as quite as the first time... OMG.
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Joined: Dec 2002
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From: UT
Oh I see.
I've never heard of Gearhead before. He's got a dyno pull on his site of a customers making 520HP with a 38R and 238cc's and his tunes...... pretty much the setup I wanna run!!
Gearhead Automotive Performance
I've never heard of Gearhead before. He's got a dyno pull on his site of a customers making 520HP with a 38R and 238cc's and his tunes...... pretty much the setup I wanna run!!
Gearhead Automotive Performance
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Bend, OR
Oh I see.
I've never heard of Gearhead before. He's got a dyno pull on his site of a customers making 520HP with a 38R and 238cc's and his tunes...... pretty much the setup I wanna run!!
Gearhead Automotive Performance
I've never heard of Gearhead before. He's got a dyno pull on his site of a customers making 520HP with a 38R and 238cc's and his tunes...... pretty much the setup I wanna run!!
Gearhead Automotive Performance
Hotshot
Joined: Jan 2011
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From: Puget Sound
I already have a tune that is quiet, doesn't smoke, has plenty of power, and works fine no matter what I do to the pedal on the right - it's called "Stock". If you do enough mechanical mods to the truck, the truck will have huge power gains and the new "Stock-strategy" tune accomodates all the hardware. Tuning can be a matter of milking that extra oomph out of what is there or just adapting to the new hardware. To put it another way, some ride the guardrail while others stay between the lines.
I notice the first vid was a cold engine... I was instructed to never use "Quiet" tune with a cold engine, so I'd need to hear a loud warm engine on "Quiet" tune to contradict my personal experience with my tuner on my truck. I have the DP quiet tune and it is quieter than stock, but it makes the exhaust stink more than normal - so I have to be careful how I use it. I guess I need to stop typing and start making more vids to share.
I notice the first vid was a cold engine... I was instructed to never use "Quiet" tune with a cold engine, so I'd need to hear a loud warm engine on "Quiet" tune to contradict my personal experience with my tuner on my truck. I have the DP quiet tune and it is quieter than stock, but it makes the exhaust stink more than normal - so I have to be careful how I use it. I guess I need to stop typing and start making more vids to share.
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Bend, OR
I already have a tune that is quiet, doesn't smoke, has plenty of power, and works fine no matter what I do to the pedal on the right - it's called "Stock". If you do enough mechanical mods to the truck, the truck will have huge power gains and the new "Stock-strategy" tune accomodates all the hardware. Tuning can be a matter of milking that extra oomph out of what is there or just adapting to the new hardware. To put it another way, some ride the guardrail while others stay between the lines.
I notice the first vid was a cold engine... I was instructed to never use "Quiet" tune with a cold engine, so I'd need to hear a loud warm engine on "Quiet" tune to contradict my personal experience with my tuner on my truck. I have the DP quiet tune and it is quieter than stock, but it makes the exhaust stink more than normal - so I have to be careful how I use it. I guess I need to stop typing and start making more vids to share.
I notice the first vid was a cold engine... I was instructed to never use "Quiet" tune with a cold engine, so I'd need to hear a loud warm engine on "Quiet" tune to contradict my personal experience with my tuner on my truck. I have the DP quiet tune and it is quieter than stock, but it makes the exhaust stink more than normal - so I have to be careful how I use it. I guess I need to stop typing and start making more vids to share.
There ya go... more death rattle... and then a little of what 95% of the other tuners out there call normal, but some tuners call there drive thru tune.
Oh listen... the way a motor should sound...
Modded H2e, Hybrids, passing a Dodge. - YouTube
mmm more death rattle...
24.5k load on race setting and Turbonetics BB - YouTube