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Upgrade Choices
I am looking for my next upgrade. As you can see in my sig I currently have an Edge tuner. I am looking at either a 4" Turbo back exhaust or Tuner. My exhaust is the factory, but I removed the muffler and turned the exhaust out right in front of the back tires. My dilema is replace the exhaust to make her breathe better, or replace the Edge? Thoughts? Idea's on DP or PHP?
This truck was and will be once I get her running again my daily driver. I do some towing. My wife has a horse (our trailer is a gooseneck), and we go to the lake frequently through the summer where I tow my Dad's boat.
Thanks in advance.
This truck was and will be once I get her running again my daily driver. I do some towing. My wife has a horse (our trailer is a gooseneck), and we go to the lake frequently through the summer where I tow my Dad's boat.
Thanks in advance.
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I am looking for my next upgrade. As you can see in my sig I currently have an Edge tuner. I am looking at either a 4" Turbo back exhaust or Tuner. My exhaust is the factory, but I removed the muffler and turned the exhaust out right in front of the back tires. My dilema is replace the exhaust to make her breathe better, or replace the Edge? Thoughts? Idea's on DP or PHP?
This truck was and will be once I get her running again my daily driver. I do some towing. My wife has a horse (our trailer is a gooseneck), and we go to the lake frequently through the summer where I tow my Dad's boat.
Thanks in advance.
This truck was and will be once I get her running again my daily driver. I do some towing. My wife has a horse (our trailer is a gooseneck), and we go to the lake frequently through the summer where I tow my Dad's boat.
Thanks in advance.
Then I moved up to DP Tuner after hanging out here for a while and let me tell you night and day difference. I have no experience with PHP or any other custom tuners. Hopefully someone with those will chime in as well. IF possible try and get a ride in someone's truck with the different tuners chips and decide for yourself.
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I do have gauges egt, trans, boost. Currently the ebpv is leaking. I pulled the turbo and bought a new pedestal and outlet from Clay to delete the ebpv. Along with frx and plenum inserts. It's almost done all I have left is to put the turbo back in. Thanks for the offer I'll definetely let you know if I need a hand. Did you get the trans for the X?
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I'm with racincowboy. I can share this: I rode in a truck like mine with an alleged 80hp tuner... meh, it's a yawner compared to the 80hp DP tunes I have. I took a ton of AE data with stock and tuned before and after the 4" exhaust. The cold intake and 4" exhaust are a team - one has to let it in and the other has to let it out. Bigger breathing made a significant difference in sound, performance, and data (even with stock tuning)... it's not just for racing. If it can help stock, it can really let a tuned engine out of the cage.
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I would upgrade the exhaust, and get some gauges. If the temps are up, upgrade the intake. Also, ditch the Edge, they chew up transmissions (so I hear).
I have run both DP and PHP and they both have their strong points and both have their weaknesses.
If I had to narrow it down to one pro/con each it would be:
DP Pro: Many more tune choices per chip. (16 vs 6 on PHP)
DP Con: Higher EGT temps on grades (would need to lock out O/D)
PHP Pro: Better pedal feel. DP increases sensitivity too much for my liking.
PHP Con: Can have awkward shifts sometimes (but also has awesome shifts at WOT, Almost seamless).
I have run both DP and PHP and they both have their strong points and both have their weaknesses.
If I had to narrow it down to one pro/con each it would be:
DP Pro: Many more tune choices per chip. (16 vs 6 on PHP)
DP Con: Higher EGT temps on grades (would need to lock out O/D)
PHP Pro: Better pedal feel. DP increases sensitivity too much for my liking.
PHP Con: Can have awkward shifts sometimes (but also has awesome shifts at WOT, Almost seamless).
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This is what I've learned by re-tuning my DP Tuner because an F6 makes it easy and AE shows me the results. The cons on both tuners can be fixed.
DP - I think the 80e is a "hot" tune. It's dialed a little too tight to have an "E" for economy behind it. I have the 60e, the 80e, and the 80t and have compared them all under different conditions - with AE logging. 60e hits the butter zone on power, economy, throttle response, and EGTs. The shifts were harsh at first on my HD4R100, but a few emails fixed that.
PHP - If you have the chip that can link to a PC, you could fine-tune the tunes to get the shifts in line. If you have the other chip, it involves pulling it and sending it in for re-tuning. Make careful note of precisely where the shift is undesirable (after the transmission is warmed up) and log it. Here is a sample that DemonRacer6 shared with me. I'm using his example because my example is so lame by comparison and I'm too emberassed to post my information format. Send the log to the tuner programmer and let him do his magic.
DP - I think the 80e is a "hot" tune. It's dialed a little too tight to have an "E" for economy behind it. I have the 60e, the 80e, and the 80t and have compared them all under different conditions - with AE logging. 60e hits the butter zone on power, economy, throttle response, and EGTs. The shifts were harsh at first on my HD4R100, but a few emails fixed that.
PHP - If you have the chip that can link to a PC, you could fine-tune the tunes to get the shifts in line. If you have the other chip, it involves pulling it and sending it in for re-tuning. Make careful note of precisely where the shift is undesirable (after the transmission is warmed up) and log it. Here is a sample that DemonRacer6 shared with me. I'm using his example because my example is so lame by comparison and I'm too emberassed to post my information format. Send the log to the tuner programmer and let him do his magic.
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Here's is what I would do and am slowly (VERY SLOWLY) working towards....
Exhaust (Done), 6.0 intercooler then tuner.
Exhaust to help drop the EGTs and let it breath, intercooler to let more air in and drop the EGTs then tuner so that the tuner is tuned for my current mods and the truck is ready.
That's my 2 cents.
Exhaust (Done), 6.0 intercooler then tuner.
Exhaust to help drop the EGTs and let it breath, intercooler to let more air in and drop the EGTs then tuner so that the tuner is tuned for my current mods and the truck is ready.
That's my 2 cents.
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Here's is what I would do and am slowly (VERY SLOWLY) working towards....
Exhaust (Done), 6.0 intercooler then tuner.
Exhaust to help drop the EGTs and let it breath, intercooler to let more air in and drop the EGTs then tuner so that the tuner is tuned for my current mods and the truck is ready.
That's my 2 cents.
Exhaust (Done), 6.0 intercooler then tuner.
Exhaust to help drop the EGTs and let it breath, intercooler to let more air in and drop the EGTs then tuner so that the tuner is tuned for my current mods and the truck is ready.
That's my 2 cents.
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