Basic Air Conditioning Question
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Basic Air Conditioning Question
This is as basic as it can be. What makes the freon cold? When I pick it up in cans it is room temperature. Does it need to be moving through a system? Or does it need to be under pressure? I think it is under pressure in the can it comes in or it wouldn't come out. Does it need a compressor? Does it need a fan to blow warm air over it?
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This is as basic as it can be. What makes the freon cold? When I pick it up in cans it is room temperature. Does it need to be moving through a system? Or does it need to be under pressure? I think it is under pressure in the can it comes in or it wouldn't come out. Does it need a compressor? Does it need a fan to blow warm air over it?
The refrigerant enters the evaporator coil where the pressure is quickly reduced through an expansion valve and the refrigerant changes to a gas (boils) and absorbs the heat from the air passing over the evaporator coil from inside the vehicle. Think of it like allowing something to absorb heat and boil, at an extremely low temperature. When something changes from a liquid to a gas, it absorbs heat just like water absorbs heat when it boils. We usually think of it happening at high temperatures, but some substances boil at very low temperatures as is the case with the refrigerant in air conditioners.
There are ways to accomplish cooling without a compressor, but they are usually much less efficient.
Clear as mud, right?
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Thank you for the replies.
So just putting freon in a sealed system won't do anything to make it cooler? For it to work it has to go through the system and changes and then go back and start over.
Is there anything that is at least cool on it's own and stays that way except maybe dry ice? My problem is I am trying to find a way to cool the oil in my motorcycle. It is air cooled, but stuck in traffic it gets so hot you want to get off. I feel like my legs are on fire. I have an oil cooler but oil coolers only work if you are moving. It gets so bad I have considered putting a side car on so I can have a generator to run a small air conditioner pointing towards my engine.
So just putting freon in a sealed system won't do anything to make it cooler? For it to work it has to go through the system and changes and then go back and start over.
Is there anything that is at least cool on it's own and stays that way except maybe dry ice? My problem is I am trying to find a way to cool the oil in my motorcycle. It is air cooled, but stuck in traffic it gets so hot you want to get off. I feel like my legs are on fire. I have an oil cooler but oil coolers only work if you are moving. It gets so bad I have considered putting a side car on so I can have a generator to run a small air conditioner pointing towards my engine.
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Thank you for the replies.
So just putting freon in a sealed system won't do anything to make it cooler? For it to work it has to go through the system and changes and then go back and start over.
Is there anything that is at least cool on it's own and stays that way except maybe dry ice? My problem is I am trying to find a way to cool the oil in my motorcycle. It is air cooled, but stuck in traffic it gets so hot you want to get off. I feel like my legs are on fire. I have an oil cooler but oil coolers only work if you are moving. It gets so bad I have considered putting a side car on so I can have a generator to run a small air conditioner pointing towards my engine.
So just putting freon in a sealed system won't do anything to make it cooler? For it to work it has to go through the system and changes and then go back and start over.
Is there anything that is at least cool on it's own and stays that way except maybe dry ice? My problem is I am trying to find a way to cool the oil in my motorcycle. It is air cooled, but stuck in traffic it gets so hot you want to get off. I feel like my legs are on fire. I have an oil cooler but oil coolers only work if you are moving. It gets so bad I have considered putting a side car on so I can have a generator to run a small air conditioner pointing towards my engine.
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I can't tell, exactly, what kind of bike that is but, this gadget looks interesting:
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
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If you can invent something that does what you're asking you will own the world. It's called perpetual motion. You want something (cooling) without putting anything in (energy.) The laws of physics, as they are currently understood, say this is impossible.
If you come up with a system that works, just make it larger and it could power an entire city, or even nation, without spending anything on fuel. Electricity would not cost anything to make.
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I can't tell, exactly, what kind of bike that is but, this gadget looks interesting:
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
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Get you one of these, from my hvac college classes. The Holy Bible of refrigeration.
Everything refrigerant is temperature/pressure related. Nothing will happen by freon simply sitting there. It has to be under a certain pressure and it it has to change state. This can not happen without a compressor, condenser, evaporator and air flow measured in cfm, cubic foot per minute.
Everything refrigerant is temperature/pressure related. Nothing will happen by freon simply sitting there. It has to be under a certain pressure and it it has to change state. This can not happen without a compressor, condenser, evaporator and air flow measured in cfm, cubic foot per minute.
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You can go on youtube and see videos as well.
Basic refrigeration cycle - Refrigeration and air conditioning DVD 1 - YouTube
Basic refrigeration cycle - Refrigeration and air conditioning DVD 1 - YouTube
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I can't tell, exactly, what kind of bike that is but, this gadget looks interesting:
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
Harley Oil Cooler - Ultracool - Oil Cooling Systems for V-Twins Motorcycles
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Would an oil cooler with electric fans be simpler? Also, if you dont already have a temp gauge, how do you know its overheating? I wouldnt spend $479 just because I think its too hot without evidence. V-twin bikes normally use very high viscosity oils to start with, so they can take a lot of heat. Too cool (under 180F) and you will have other problems.
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Would an oil cooler with electric fans be simpler? Also, if you dont already have a temp gauge, how do you know its overheating? I wouldnt spend $479 just because I think its too hot without evidence. V-twin bikes normally use very high viscosity oils to start with, so they can take a lot of heat. Too cool (under 180F) and you will have other problems.
The thing I am faced with is that if the temps are in the normal range, then I have to get rid of the bike. It is much too hot to ride. I doubt if they are though because the computer is programmed to shut off the rear cylinder when the bike is at idle to lower the heat. But it only does it at high temps. Once it gets to 85 or so outside and I get into traffic, the rear cylinder shuts down at lights. So I am fairly certain it is running too hot. Probably running too lean.
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