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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:58 PM
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Can I do this

This may or may not be a dumb question but i cant remember can I put a 96 motor in my 95 and not have to change a lot of things like the computer and so on.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 06:01 AM
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If the motors are complete, the most extra you'd have to do is change the pcm or get it reflashed. May be a couple wiring differences in the fuel bowl area, nothing major, just a little rerouting of a couple wires iirc.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 07:00 AM
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Should be pretty much a direct swap. My '96 has the motor from a '95 in it now. I am going the opposite direction that you are, but if the motor is complete you should have no problem.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 08:29 AM
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If you use all the '95 sensors/controls, you would NOT swap the PCM. If there are fuel bowl differences, I would just retain the '95 fuel system.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 08:42 AM
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You should be able to use all the same controls sensor, computer, etc. The only difference might be the location of a couple of the sensors on the fuel bowl. Fuel systems are the same, just the locations of the sensors on the fuel bowl is slightly different. Because the locations are different the lengths of the individual sensor leads (pigtails) on the fuel bowl wiring harness are a little different. So when I made the swap I used the fuel bowl harness that went with the fuel bowl that I used. It works fine and plugs right into the harness on the truck.

It is a pretty straight forward swap so long as the engines are both from a F series truck. Things are a bit more complicated if the engine is from an E series van or is an International T444E that was from a medium duty truck, but as long as you're going from one pickup to another, it is a simple swap. Everything will work as long as you're swapping the whole engine as a complete assembly. There are some minor differences in individual components on the engines between years, but if you're swapping everything all together, you should be just fine.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 08:44 AM
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I would use the PCM form the newer truck since the programming was improved upon slightly as time went on. As long as the transmission is the same on both trucks (auto or manual) either one will work. IDM is the same from either one.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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Thanks Guys there is a 96 motor for sale locally and my 95 has almost 300,000 on the most part of the original motor minus the hpop, lpop, water pump, fuel pump, and glow plugs. The 96 motor only has 136,000 on it and the injectors in the 95 are very tired so i think it would be an improvement.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 01:10 PM
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Yes sir! That is essentially what I did as well. I knew that the engine in my '96 needed new injectors with 392,000 miles on it and I ended up buying the whole truck for about the same price as a set of rebuilt injectors. Never hurts to have parts right!?
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 05:23 PM
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I would use the PCM form the newer truck since the programming was improved upon slightly as time went on. As long as the transmission is the same on both trucks (auto or manual) either one will work. IDM is the same from either one.
I'm relatively certain the pin-out for the PCM changed in 96.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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I'm relatively certain the pin-out for the PCM changed in 96.
They did not. I have ran every year PSD pcm in every year truck. They all worked the same.

As for the swap it will be a direct swap other then the afore mentioned fuel harness stuff. Easiest way to do it is split the engine harness right at the drivers side fender and just use that harness that is on the engine, only one thing to plug and unplug that way.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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They did not. I have ran every year PSD pcm in every year truck. They all worked the same.

As for the swap it will be a direct swap other then the afore mentioned fuel harness stuff. Easiest way to do it is split the engine harness right at the drivers side fender and just use that harness that is on the engine, only one thing to plug and unplug that way.
Agreed. I don;t know for myself about the PCM pinout change since I used the same PCM from my truck with both engines, but separating the wiring at the 42 pin connector on the fender liner is by far the easiest thing to do.
 
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So ultimately, base it on what you have in front of you. If you have the whole donor truck at your disposal, get the harness(es) you need, and the PCM, and basically convert it to a '96. If you're buying part by part from someone parting it out, and they'll want more money for the PCM, wiring, whatever else, then you have the option of keeping the '95 fuel bowl, wiring, etc. 'Course, if he's not asking much for the PCM, etc, it might be worth getting anyway, for a spare.
 
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Old May 26, 2012 | 01:03 PM
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Sorry guys but the gentlmen i talked to on the phone was an idiot and I drove down to see it and it turned out all he had was a 94 factory turboed IDI it wasnt a powerstroke at all i was so pissed it wasnt funny at all. People really need to do a little research before they put things up for sale.
 
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Old May 26, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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With a '94, you HAVE to have them tell you EXACTLY what they see under the hood. Better yet to have them take a pic of the engine and send it.
 
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