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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 03:25 PM
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Unhappy BIG MISTAKE!!!!

Well im on a road trip from alaska to pennsylvania im driving and 06 f-350 XL with the 6.0 powerstroke and well i was almost to my first stop when my truck died turns out with me being tired i put regular gas in my deisel engine nothing locked up or anything like that i was wondering if anyone knew how to fix this problem and what the steps are to do it
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 03:32 PM
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Post this in the Super Duty forum or the 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel forum, I'm sure they can help you out. Were light duty guys in here LOL....
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 03:33 PM
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Post this in the Super Duty forum or the 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel forum, I'm sure they can help you out. Were light duty guys in here LOL....
Moved as you posted!

Moved to the 6.0L PSD forum.

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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Drain ALL the gasoline out of the fuel system by disconnecting the line from the HFCM (outlet end) into a suitable container to be disposed of in the appropriate manner. Do this by powering up the HFCM with a scan tool or jumping 12 volts directly to the red wire on the fuel pump connector of the HFCM. Refill with fresh diesel fuel along with a bottle of cetane booster additive. Change both fuel filters and pray to God you didn't damage any of the injectors. After, thank your lucky stars your truck isn't a 6.4L or 6.7L truck, because if it were, this would be a $19,000 mistake!!!!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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m-chan68 is right bout them 6.4 and 6.7. sensitive buggers. no room for mistakes.

to the OP, i hope ur up and running. best of luck!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m-chan68
, thank your lucky stars your truck isn't a 6.4L or 6.7L truck, because if it were, this would be a $19,000 mistake!!!!

Man Mike the More I hear about those 2 models the MORE I think that I should stay away from Either One.

Not to many folks have 20K stashed away for an Auto repair thats DAM Crazy

If I did that in a New 6.7 and the BILL was 20K I Would let the BANK HAVE IT at that point Even if I had the 20K saved up in the Bank Id still let the Repo Man have it

Shure Hope Ford has Something Diffrent on the Horizone as far as a Diesel option This EXPENSIVE Common Rail Fuel System sounds more touchey than a New Born Infant

Has Anyone just left the truck there after a 20K Fuel system overhaul LOL
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BLADE35
Man Mike the More I hear about those 2 models the MORE I think that I should stay away from Either One.

Not to many folks have 20K stashed away for an Auto repair thats DAM Crazy

If I did that in a New 6.7 and the BILL was 20K I Would let the BANK HAVE IT at that point Even if I had the 20K saved up in the Bank Id still let the Repo Man have it

Shure Hope Ford has Something Diffrent on the Horizone as far as a Diesel option This EXPENSIVE Common Rail Fuel System sounds more touchey than a New Born Infant
In all honesty, that $19G figure is a little on the high end, but not by much. What people need to realize and understand is the difference in the way the new systems operate, versus the 6.0L and 7.3L (and even CAT too). On all diesels that use HUEI systems, there is no fuel under high pressure in the system at all, EXCEPT at the combustion chamber. The main pump, in this case being the high pressure OIL pump uses engine oil that is subjected to high pressure to varying degrees dependent upon operating conditions. This means the oil is subjected to pressures between 500 and 3000 psi. The point is, there is no fuel being passed through these components when there is a fuel quality (or in this case WRONG fuel) issue present. And thus, these components are unaffected.

In a common rail type system however, like the 6.4L, the 6.7L and the Cummins engines, there are two fuel systems present. That would be low pressure, and HIGH pressure. On the high pressure end of the business, everything in the loop is subjected to pressures of between 4000 and 26,000 psi!!! That said, you can damn well bet that lubricity and cleanliness of the fuel is of paramount importance. Introduce the wrong type of fuel (in this case being gasoline), that doesn't have the same lubricity properties as diesel, and you're doing the exact same damage you would to a gas or diesel engine, running it without engine oil, as you would to the high pressure fuel system components. Hopefully, this puts things into perspective.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BLADE35
If I did that in a New 6.7 and the BILL was 20K I Would let the BANK HAVE IT at that point


Me: Hello, police... My truck was stolen.

Police: Yeah, we just found it burnt to the ground.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by m-chan68
In all honesty, that $19G figure is a little on the high end, but not by much. What people need to realize and understand is the difference in the way the new systems operate, versus the 6.0L and 7.3L (and even CAT too). On all diesels that use HUEI systems, there is no fuel under high pressure in the system at all, EXCEPT at the combustion chamber. The main pump, in this case being the high pressure OIL pump uses engine oil that is subjected to high pressure to varying degrees dependent upon operating conditions. This means the oil is subjected to pressures between 500 and 3000 psi. The point is, there is no fuel being passed through these components when there is a fuel quality (or in this case WRONG fuel) issue present. And thus, these components are unaffected.

In a common rail type system however, like the 6.4L, the 6.7L and the Cummins engines, there are two fuel systems present. That would be low pressure, and HIGH pressure. On the high pressure end of the business, everything in the loop is subjected to pressures of between 4000 and 26,000 psi!!! That said, you can damn well bet that lubricity and cleanliness of the fuel is of paramount importance. Introduce the wrong type of fuel (in this case being gasoline), that doesn't have the same lubricity properties as diesel, and you're doing the exact same damage you would to a gas or diesel engine, running it without engine oil, as you would to the high pressure fuel system components. Hopefully, this puts things into perspective.
This must be a lot of labor involved to be this high! How much is it in just parts? And can someone do the work themselves, cause if it is able to be done in the driveway I wouldn't be scared.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by High Binder
Me: Hello, police... My truck was stolen.

Police: Yeah, we just found it burnt to the ground.
There must have been a short between the batteries somewhere!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Yes thats the way I understood how they worked what Little I know about them

But this is the first time that I have heard a PSI number to the fuel Pressure up to 26,000 psi Is INCREDIBLE Amount of Pressure I take it that 26K is at the Injector tip

But It seems crazy to me to have a Fuel Injection system with such tight tolerances. I Guess I mean the Fuel Itself has to be Flawless. And then whats going to happen to all those 6.7s when the EPA makes them refine the Fuel even More?? I guess they will all be carreying a Jug of cetain Booster or whatever.

I used to work for an oil company I saw a couple Fuel tanks at diffrent stations that everytime it would rain or snow the water runoff from the parking lot would drain straight into the underground Diesel tank.

Hell Iv even seen where a Private station owner would turn a Garden hose into an unleaded tank after the tanker filled it and left and the owner gave it a shot a water this station didnt have diesel pump or Im shure the diesel would have got a shot of water to


Just to me the HEUI injection system is better/less of a gamble cuz theres ALOT more care taken in a quart of oil the way its pakaged everything. Just seams to me alittle more Pride is taken with oil quality than the Fuel
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by raptor131
This must be a lot of labor involved to be this high! How much is it in just parts? And can someone do the work themselves, cause if it is able to be done in the driveway I wouldn't be scared.
On a 6.4L, don't even think about it. The cab has to be raised just to access the HPFP alone. Then there's all eight injectors, fuel filter housing, lines, etc. etc. etc.

On a 6.7L, I'm not going to say what I don't know to be quite honest. What I am going to tell you though, is replacing injectors are not as easy as Ford would like you to believe. I've already had to replace one so far, and the external plumbing of the high pressure fuel lines sure to get in the way of things. The high pressure fuel pump though, I would imagine to be a lot easier than the 6.4L, since it's driven by the cam gear on the front of the engine.

As far as parts go, just the HPFP alone is at least a $1G. Then there are eight injectors @ $400 each, give or take. And then there's ALL fuel lines, filters and everything else that HIGH FUEL PRESSURE passes through.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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Well it's obvious Ford is selling them, and good for them too.

I won't be touching either of these model years. I'd love a new truck, and every now and then I go on the website and build my dream truck and think 'If only" ..... but I'm in construction and if DeWalt, Hitachi or Porter Cable made a roofing nail gun that would crap the bed if it got jobsite dust on the nail coil or had to be laid down gently when you're done with it, that model would never sell and it would be black listed in the industry real quick. To be a quality tool it has to be robust.
They don't sell diesel in gallon jugs like milk or oil, with industry standards they have to meet, so it's disappointing to be reading the stories of trucks than can only handle fuel from the teet of the Gods.
Guess there wont be many of them running in the next Mad Max apocalypse.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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And, furthermore on a 6.7L, each injector that is replaced, HAS TO be programmed into the PCM independently using IDS, just the same way a FICM has to be programmed on a 6.0L during replacement. That was a brainfart.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by m-chan68
On a 6.4L, don't even think about it. The cab has to be raised just to access the HPFP alone. Then there's all eight injectors, fuel filter housing, lines, etc. etc. etc.

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Boy It keeps getten Better & Better LOL

I mean I would be up for anything give it a shot with Mike or Cheezit to walk ya thru it but when a guy has to pull the cab its all over might as well take it to the dealer
 
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