BIG MISTAKE!!!!
#17
02-07-2012, 07:18 AM
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Yes thats the way I understood how they worked what Little I know about them
But this is the first time that I have heard a PSI number to the fuel Pressure up to 26,000 psi Is INCREDIBLE Amount of Pressure I take it that 26K is at the Injector tip
But It seems crazy to me to have a Fuel Injection system with such tight tolerances. I Guess I mean the Fuel Itself has to be Flawless. And then whats going to happen to all those 6.7s when the EPA makes them refine the Fuel even More?? I guess they will all be carreying a Jug of cetain Booster or whatever.
I used to work for an oil company I saw a couple Fuel tanks at diffrent stations that everytime it would rain or snow the water runoff from the parking lot would drain straight into the underground Diesel tank.
Hell Iv even seen where a Private station owner would turn a Garden hose into an unleaded tank after the tanker filled it and left and the owner gave it a shot a water this station didnt have diesel pump or Im shure the diesel would have got a shot of water to
Just to me the HEUI injection system is better/less of a gamble cuz theres ALOT more care taken in a quart of oil the way its pakaged everything. Just seams to me alittle more Pride is taken with oil quality than the Fuel
But this is the first time that I have heard a PSI number to the fuel Pressure up to 26,000 psi Is INCREDIBLE Amount of Pressure I take it that 26K is at the Injector tip
But It seems crazy to me to have a Fuel Injection system with such tight tolerances. I Guess I mean the Fuel Itself has to be Flawless. And then whats going to happen to all those 6.7s when the EPA makes them refine the Fuel even More?? I guess they will all be carreying a Jug of cetain Booster or whatever.
I used to work for an oil company I saw a couple Fuel tanks at diffrent stations that everytime it would rain or snow the water runoff from the parking lot would drain straight into the underground Diesel tank.
Hell Iv even seen where a Private station owner would turn a Garden hose into an unleaded tank after the tanker filled it and left and the owner gave it a shot a water this station didnt have diesel pump or Im shure the diesel would have got a shot of water to
Just to me the HEUI injection system is better/less of a gamble cuz theres ALOT more care taken in a quart of oil the way its pakaged everything. Just seams to me alittle more Pride is taken with oil quality than the Fuel
Why would you spray water directly into one of your tanks? Nowadays, if you were to accumulate more than 1in of water per 10k gallons you would shut down from your alarms. Most drainage systems these days around your fuel tanks are very sophisticated and work very well.
#18
02-07-2012, 10:17 AM
Some shop owners fill a little water to get more bang for there Buck this was not a company I worked for but a 7-11 so remember that one It was a private franchise one so I wouldnt say all of them
all the tanks are not the latest and greatest some dont drain like you think especialy when the Tank Fill Cap is the Parking lot Low spot
One tank leaked at a station and they didnt fix that till the Sub Basement in the hotel next door wreaked of Fuel older tanks though
For the most parrt the Fuel is Good and theres not the Issues I mention but I have seen that stuff happen
#19
02-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Well it's obvious Ford is selling them, and good for them too.
I won't be touching either of these model years. I'd love a new truck, and every now and then I go on the website and build my dream truck and think 'If only" ..... but I'm in construction and if DeWalt, Hitachi or Porter Cable made a roofing nail gun that would crap the bed if it got jobsite dust on the nail coil or had to be laid down gently when you're done with it, that model would never sell and it would be black listed in the industry real quick. To be a quality tool it has to be robust.
They don't sell diesel in gallon jugs like milk or oil, with industry standards they have to meet, so it's disappointing to be reading the stories of trucks than can only handle fuel from the teet of the Gods.
Guess there wont be many of them running in the next Mad Max apocalypse.
I won't be touching either of these model years. I'd love a new truck, and every now and then I go on the website and build my dream truck and think 'If only" ..... but I'm in construction and if DeWalt, Hitachi or Porter Cable made a roofing nail gun that would crap the bed if it got jobsite dust on the nail coil or had to be laid down gently when you're done with it, that model would never sell and it would be black listed in the industry real quick. To be a quality tool it has to be robust.
They don't sell diesel in gallon jugs like milk or oil, with industry standards they have to meet, so it's disappointing to be reading the stories of trucks than can only handle fuel from the teet of the Gods.
Guess there wont be many of them running in the next Mad Max apocalypse.
Do people really have that much disposable income or have I really fallen that far out of the middle class?
It is funny you mentioned building your dream truck. I used to do that until a couple of years ago when I got a real bad case of sticker shock. I don't do it now because it is so depressing to think I will never be able to afford a new one. It is also depressing to think that part of the reason these truck are so expensive is because of our "friends" in the government. Who the hell needs Al Qaeda or Iran when we have our own government bringing us down.
#20
02-07-2012, 02:36 PM
#21
02-07-2012, 02:54 PM
All this talk about the 6.4 and 6.7 needing "Pure Fuel" or the fuel system sustains expensive damage makes me happier every day that I'm keeping my 7.3L. It's a shame because I would love to have a newer (NOT new, to rich for me) Super Duty. If anything I would opt for the 6.2L. What a shame. Good job Ford on making a truck that lasts like a truck should, NOT!
#22
02-07-2012, 06:03 PM
I am with you in that I won't be touching the 6.4 or 6.7 versions. I wonder if there are just a lot of uneducated people looking at the 6.7 and seeing 500 HP and 800 ft/lbs and going WOW?
Do people really have that much disposable income or have I really fallen that far out of the middle class?
It is funny you mentioned building your dream truck. I used to do that until a couple of years ago when I got a real bad case of sticker shock. I don't do it now because it is so depressing to think I will never be able to afford a new one. It is also depressing to think that part of the reason these truck are so expensive is because of our "friends" in the government. Who the hell needs Al Qaeda or Iran when we have our own government bringing us down.
Do people really have that much disposable income or have I really fallen that far out of the middle class?
It is funny you mentioned building your dream truck. I used to do that until a couple of years ago when I got a real bad case of sticker shock. I don't do it now because it is so depressing to think I will never be able to afford a new one. It is also depressing to think that part of the reason these truck are so expensive is because of our "friends" in the government. Who the hell needs Al Qaeda or Iran when we have our own government bringing us down.
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There are SO many things said in this post that I agree with (almost sounds like me) that I couldn't begin to give you enough reps even if I wasn't "restricted" at the moment.
Class warfare and the times of the "Haves and Have Nots" are upon us gentlemen. Mark my words.
#23
02-07-2012, 07:16 PM
I hold it so I can see the Fuel and it better be the right color & Smell
I asked a Fuel Tanker Driver if it was possible to get the wrong Fuel into the wrong Holding tank at the station (He got really Defensive for a second after I explained to him I wasnt accusing him of anything I just wanted to know) He then said it was totaly Possible to cross contaminate Diesel & Unleaded the Hookup to the Tanker Truck and the Fuel Tank are the same for all the diffrent fuels
So you get a Tanker Driver having a BAD Day it may cost Ya
All this talk about the 6.4 and 6.7 needing "Pure Fuel" or the fuel system sustains expensive damage makes me happier every day that I'm keeping my 7.3L. It's a shame because I would love to have a newer (NOT new, to rich for me) Super Duty. If anything I would opt for the 6.2L. What a shame. Good job Ford on making a truck that lasts like a truck should, NOT!
Unless things change my next truck will Be a Gasser
Theres just no way I could make that kinda payment on a New Truck and possibly have to deal with a 19K repair bill
I read on here the other day that one Guys 6.7 payment was 1200.00 a month
#24
02-07-2012, 07:48 PM
#25
02-07-2012, 08:25 PM
[raises hand] Paranoid here too. Double and triple check too.
Nice to see your name in green now, Ed!
Stewart
Nice to see your name in green now, Ed!
Stewart
#26
02-08-2012, 10:31 AM
I did this about 100,000 miles ago, seems to be no lasting impact. I was idling for 15 min after fill up then it started knocking, stumbling & smoking like hell, I thought motor had let go and I was 10 mi from home so I just tried to see how close I could get. The smell coming from the exhaust was so bad people were pulling off the road behind me but I made it home, when I decided to check the fuel I just siphoned out as much as I could and put 10 gal of diesel in to see how it was.
#27
02-08-2012, 11:06 AM
Cargo Master
Hell Iv even seen where a Private station owner would turn a Garden hose into an unleaded tank after the tanker filled it and left and the owner gave it a shot a water this station didnt have diesel pump or Im shure the diesel would have got a shot of water to
Now obviously theres no ethonel in ULSD but i still check for water anyway. The biggest problem i see with small/old stores is that they always keep there tank levels low which means more chance of pullin up water & junk.
Your best bet is to keep to newer stores that have a high usage of Fuel's & on another note its ok to pump fuel if the tanker is there droppin (yes it stirs tank) but the pickup is only appx 6 inchs from bottom so it actually pushes the crap away from pickup (pickups normally very close to drop) & they have good filtration units, checked by the state.
Most important note:
Dont **** off or get in the way of your Tanker driver
#28
02-08-2012, 11:34 AM
I did this about 100,000 miles ago, seems to be no lasting impact. I was idling for 15 min after fill up then it started knocking, stumbling & smoking like hell, I thought motor had let go and I was 10 mi from home so I just tried to see how close I could get. The smell coming from the exhaust was so bad people were pulling off the road behind me but I made it home, when I decided to check the fuel I just siphoned out as much as I could and put 10 gal of diesel in to see how it was.
Food for thought though. I had one such truck it was a 2005 that one of the workers filled up completely was gas. They drove it 'till it quit, which was when it ended up at another shop. They "played with it", unable to figure out what was wrong with it, so in on the hook it ended up on my doorstep for me to determine that it was gassed up within 10 minutes. I drained, and flushed out the system as best as I could, refilled it with diesel and changed both filters, and sent him on his merry way. About a year and 40,000 kms. later, it ended up back on the hook onto my doorstep with at least one or more injector(s) stuck wide open overfuelling to the point that engine damage had been caused. They ended up trading it in, for an '11 6.7L.
The point I'm making, is that if you gas up ANY diesel that utilizes a CR setup and make this mistake, ALL high pressure fuel system components will require replacement, unlike that of diesels that utilize a HUEI system like our 6.0L and 7.3L.
#29
02-08-2012, 11:48 AM
#30
02-08-2012, 01:25 PM
Aaaaaahhhh, but what kind of truck do you drive? I see in your profile it indicates that you have a 6.0L truck. As I posted to the OP, if he drains ALL gasoline out and refills with diesel, he SHOULD be fine since he owns a 6.0L truck.
Food for thought though. I had one such truck it was a 2005 that one of the workers filled up completely was gas. They drove it 'till it quit, which was when it ended up at another shop. They "played with it", unable to figure out what was wrong with it, so in on the hook it ended up on my doorstep for me to determine that it was gassed up within 10 minutes. I drained, and flushed out the system as best as I could, refilled it with diesel and changed both filters, and sent him on his merry way. About a year and 40,000 kms. later, it ended up back on the hook onto my doorstep with at least one or more injector(s) stuck wide open overfuelling to the point that engine damage had been caused. They ended up trading it in, for an '11 6.7L.
The point I'm making, is that if you gas up ANY diesel that utilizes a CR setup and make this mistake, ALL high pressure fuel system components will require replacement, unlike that of diesels that utilize a HUEI system like our 6.0L and 7.3L.
Food for thought though. I had one such truck it was a 2005 that one of the workers filled up completely was gas. They drove it 'till it quit, which was when it ended up at another shop. They "played with it", unable to figure out what was wrong with it, so in on the hook it ended up on my doorstep for me to determine that it was gassed up within 10 minutes. I drained, and flushed out the system as best as I could, refilled it with diesel and changed both filters, and sent him on his merry way. About a year and 40,000 kms. later, it ended up back on the hook onto my doorstep with at least one or more injector(s) stuck wide open overfuelling to the point that engine damage had been caused. They ended up trading it in, for an '11 6.7L.
The point I'm making, is that if you gas up ANY diesel that utilizes a CR setup and make this mistake, ALL high pressure fuel system components will require replacement, unlike that of diesels that utilize a HUEI system like our 6.0L and 7.3L.