Draining Water
Tuned
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22,500 miles and have never seen water after draining. I drain into a clear plastic jar and let it sit overnight. I am more religious about draining in the winter than in the summer. I had 170,000 miles on my 2001 and never saw water either.
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Adding an demulsifier, an emulsifier or a water solubilizer.
I'm not picking a side in the E vs. D debate. I've read articles on other diesel forums that Power Services says Diesel Kleen (grey bottle) and Diesel Fuel Supplement (white bottle) have no emulsifiers or demulsifiers, and that Diesel 911 (red bottle) has an actual solubilizer to counteract filter icing. That's what I use, I don't know what other brands have.
I'm not picking a side in the E vs. D debate. I've read articles on other diesel forums that Power Services says Diesel Kleen (grey bottle) and Diesel Fuel Supplement (white bottle) have no emulsifiers or demulsifiers, and that Diesel 911 (red bottle) has an actual solubilizer to counteract filter icing. That's what I use, I don't know what other brands have.
Diesel 911 is an EMERGENCY treatment. Not a fuel additive- this is from the website; and another truck forum;
Where does Power Service say it contains no alcohols? In their product description page it says this-
Removes water from fuel system - extends life of fuel-filters, fuel injection pumps
and fuel injectors
Contains Slickdiesel® for maximum fuel lubrication - protects fuel injectors and pumps against accelerated wear from Low and Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuels
Completes microbial clean-ups - when used with Power Service Bio Kleen Diesel Fuel Biocide, Diesel 9·1·1 disperses slime, provides a more effective kill and reduces fuel-filter plugging
Contains the type of non-harmful alcohols recommended by diesel engine manufacturers for removal of water in diesel fuel systems
When used as directed, does not lower the flash point of No. 2 diesel fuel below the ASTM minimum standard
Notice the next to last sentence....this is directly off their website
They DO say their other diesel treatments contain no alcohol but the 911 anti-gel DOES have alcohol, they just claim it is a type that is not harmful
Removes water from fuel system - extends life of fuel-filters, fuel injection pumps
and fuel injectors
Contains Slickdiesel® for maximum fuel lubrication - protects fuel injectors and pumps against accelerated wear from Low and Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuels
Completes microbial clean-ups - when used with Power Service Bio Kleen Diesel Fuel Biocide, Diesel 9·1·1 disperses slime, provides a more effective kill and reduces fuel-filter plugging
Contains the type of non-harmful alcohols recommended by diesel engine manufacturers for removal of water in diesel fuel systems
When used as directed, does not lower the flash point of No. 2 diesel fuel below the ASTM minimum standard
Notice the next to last sentence....this is directly off their website
They DO say their other diesel treatments contain no alcohol but the 911 anti-gel DOES have alcohol, they just claim it is a type that is not harmful
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I had 155,000 on my '08 and it would drain water every so often, maybe an ounce or so every 4 months, mostly in the winter/cool months.
I am inclined to think that the separator does not do its job.
I think epic should do a video on installing a big aftermarket separator and document whether or not he gets water from it. I think he would be a good tester, I would send him some cash to defray some cost, since he appears to stay close to home and fuel consistently and he also has a Titan tank. Lots of question marks could be answered. I would be a good tester too but to the other extreme. I buy fuel in all the southern/Midwest regions and burn a few hundred gallons a week on average. What y'all think?
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Does "counteracts filter icing" sound like a normal day of driving to you? Cause in my book that spells "h-o-l-y-c-r-a-p-i-t-s-c-o-l-d" 
Post Fiend
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Yea, has me thinking, except for the 6.0 guy that said he never got any either. Forgot his screen name.......
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I have an extra 70 gallon tank in the bed of the truck that is plumbed into the main tank. Years ago I put a seperator on it after having a water incident in the back country. I do build up water in the extra tank, but have not had water out of the main tank.
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I might know of one person who might jump on this and continue with a Ford sucks and they are out to get you and we are all driving a ticking time bomb.... but he is over at RV.net serving up the Dodge and Chevy boys big portions of Ford Sucks koolaid right now.
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I've never found water when draining on mine.
I only have around 21,000 miles but it has been driven across country twice so I am getting a mixture of fuel from different areas.
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I've never found water when draining on mine.
I only have around 21,000 miles but it has been driven across country twice so I am getting a mixture of fuel from different areas.
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Oh my!
I did some lurking on GM and dodge sites and searched any performance issues,,,noticed some of the same issues found on FTE, may be a good resource for looking for common problems or concerns,,,Hope Rick has had his problem fixed and it is behind him, actually found links in their threads detailing the issues he has had...........
In reference to the water issue, if it is such a concern that Ford puts a drain valve that needs to be drained and references it in the manual and the HPFP is adversely affected it is extremely odd there are no or rare instances of water being extracted,,,I am realitively sure the diesel from the hundreds of thousands of gallons we use is that pure,,,,kinda concerned if the filter/separator is doing the job!
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I have read of at least two instances where water was found in the separator. A small amount and not enough to set of a warning but visible water nonetheless. Maybe it's a good time to start a conspiracy theory here. Is it common practice for refineries to add emulsifiers and therefore shoot a bunch of unseparatable water through our fuel systems? Any takers?
Because they know that Ford does not have an adequate fuel separator, they also disable the in-plant moisture analyzers so that there are no records.
To compound the problem all of the stations, that distribute the fuel, are trying to save money by deleting water separators/filters.
Ford is intentionally producing an inferior truck and oil companies are really, really bad. No really.
Tuned
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I just saw this story. Sure makes you wonder what these fuel refineries are doing. This happened at a station locally a few years back. Turned out to be kerosene that time.
Cars stall after leaving gas station in Texas - Fox News Video - Fox News
Cars stall after leaving gas station in Texas - Fox News Video - Fox News
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