DP Tuner: 60e vs 80e
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DP Tuner: 60e vs 80e
What are the real world differences between 60e and 80e?
I find that the 80e tune, while amazing, is more than I need for daily driving. I like having the extra OOMF for yellow lights or when idjits do something stupid on the road and I need to get out of dodge.
Also, I find that it smokes a little more than I'd like. Some smoke is ok, for when you're having fun!
But sometimes I find my self thinking "If that person wasn't an environmentalist before, they are now.."
Perhaps it can be dialed down to improve MPG a little more.
I'm thinking about sending my tuner in for a little fine tuning (decrease pedal sensitivity, etc..), adding some tunes, and maybe replacing 80e with 60e.
Thoughts?
I find that the 80e tune, while amazing, is more than I need for daily driving. I like having the extra OOMF for yellow lights or when idjits do something stupid on the road and I need to get out of dodge.
Also, I find that it smokes a little more than I'd like. Some smoke is ok, for when you're having fun!
But sometimes I find my self thinking "If that person wasn't an environmentalist before, they are now.."
Perhaps it can be dialed down to improve MPG a little more.
I'm thinking about sending my tuner in for a little fine tuning (decrease pedal sensitivity, etc..), adding some tunes, and maybe replacing 80e with 60e.
Thoughts?
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I just have the 60e and love the tune for daily driving except when in the city mine down shifts kinda hard. I would like to send it back for tweaking but I don't want to part with it lol. And mine does not smoke unless I get on it
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IIRC, the 60e tune was originally created for use with larger singleshot injectors and was found to be effective for splits, as well.
Though my truck has a few more/different mods, I do find I make slightly better mpgs in 60e vs 80e. It does smoke less and has a little less power. But for daily driving, it's all I really need. Jody @ DP Tuner suggested using it as my DD, as he stated " You'll get your power from your injectors". With a multi tune switchable chip/tuner, you have the option to increase power on the fly, so it's not a big deal to run in a lower hp setting and switch up when needed.
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Though my truck has a few more/different mods, I do find I make slightly better mpgs in 60e vs 80e. It does smoke less and has a little less power. But for daily driving, it's all I really need. Jody @ DP Tuner suggested using it as my DD, as he stated " You'll get your power from your injectors". With a multi tune switchable chip/tuner, you have the option to increase power on the fly, so it's not a big deal to run in a lower hp setting and switch up when needed.
(Read "Blow someone away who deserves it")
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I have both 60e and 80e and would advise having the pedal sensitivity reduced on the 80e rather than switching it for 60e. I've found no mpg advantage city or hwy with 60e over 80e and only use 60e when I want less pedal sensitivity or am towing, truck seems to like 80e better and trans shifts better in that tune. No smoke issues with either. Whenever I send the chip back in I'll have throttle sensitivity backed off on 80e, replace 60e with a tow tune (as I originally intended) and have 60e bumped up to the highest number position.
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As for smoke, mine will do it before the truck is really up to temp, but not after it's been on the highway.
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What are the real world differences between 60e and 80e?
I find that the 80e tune, while amazing, is more than I need for daily driving. I like having the extra OOMF for yellow lights or when idjits do something stupid on the road and I need to get out of dodge.
Also, I find that it smokes a little more than I'd like. Some smoke is ok, for when you're having fun!
But sometimes I find my self thinking "If that person wasn't an environmentalist before, they are now.."
Perhaps it can be dialed down to improve MPG a little more.
I'm thinking about sending my tuner in for a little fine tuning (decrease pedal sensitivity, etc..), adding some tunes, and maybe replacing 80e with 60e.
Thoughts?
I find that the 80e tune, while amazing, is more than I need for daily driving. I like having the extra OOMF for yellow lights or when idjits do something stupid on the road and I need to get out of dodge.
Also, I find that it smokes a little more than I'd like. Some smoke is ok, for when you're having fun!
But sometimes I find my self thinking "If that person wasn't an environmentalist before, they are now.."
Perhaps it can be dialed down to improve MPG a little more.
I'm thinking about sending my tuner in for a little fine tuning (decrease pedal sensitivity, etc..), adding some tunes, and maybe replacing 80e with 60e.
Thoughts?
The 80e is more for in town driving to prevent the drag your get from stop light to stop light or stop and go traffic.
The 80e should not just smoke unless you get on it good. It should be a puff then be gone once the turbo spools up and clears it up. Like in seconds,real quick. This has me thinking your HPOP may not be atomizing well or the turbo is getting lag. Leaking up pipes, exhaust leak will cause extra unwanted smoke.
The characteristic of the pedal is for achieving many things like less smoke, lower EGT's better power along with better mileage. If ICP Or the HPOP is not right you will get more smoke. Just driving normally you should not have any smoke in any tunes.
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What are your EGT's, boost, throttle position?
The 80e is more for in town driving to prevent the drag your get from stop light to stop light or stop and go traffic.
The 80e should not just smoke unless you get on it good. It should be a puff then be gone once the turbo spools up and clears it up. Like in seconds,real quick. This has me thinking your HPOP may not be atomizing well or the turbo is getting lag. Leaking up pipes, exhaust leak will cause extra unwanted smoke.
The characteristic of the pedal is for achieving many things like less smoke, lower EGT's better power along with better mileage. If ICP Or the HPOP is not right you will get more smoke. Just driving normally you should not have any smoke in any tunes.
Diane
The 80e is more for in town driving to prevent the drag your get from stop light to stop light or stop and go traffic.
The 80e should not just smoke unless you get on it good. It should be a puff then be gone once the turbo spools up and clears it up. Like in seconds,real quick. This has me thinking your HPOP may not be atomizing well or the turbo is getting lag. Leaking up pipes, exhaust leak will cause extra unwanted smoke.
The characteristic of the pedal is for achieving many things like less smoke, lower EGT's better power along with better mileage. If ICP Or the HPOP is not right you will get more smoke. Just driving normally you should not have any smoke in any tunes.
Diane
The times when I get black smoke is when I'm in this awkward RPM range (perhaps when TC is locked
) and when I press the throttle it billows black smoke until the trans shifts or something and the RPMs climb and the smoke clears up. (If a video of this would help, I'd be glad to post)DP Tuner Road Test - 2002 7.3L Powerstroke - YouTube
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What are your EGT's, boost, throttle position?
The 80e is more for in town driving to prevent the drag your get from stop light to stop light or stop and go traffic.
The 80e should not just smoke unless you get on it good. It should be a puff then be gone once the turbo spools up and clears it up. Like in seconds,real quick. This has me thinking your HPOP may not be atomizing well or the turbo is getting lag. Leaking up pipes, exhaust leak will cause extra unwanted smoke.
The characteristic of the pedal is for achieving many things like less smoke, lower EGT's better power along with better mileage. If ICP Or the HPOP is not right you will get more smoke. Just driving normally you should not have any smoke in any tunes.
Diane
The 80e is more for in town driving to prevent the drag your get from stop light to stop light or stop and go traffic.
The 80e should not just smoke unless you get on it good. It should be a puff then be gone once the turbo spools up and clears it up. Like in seconds,real quick. This has me thinking your HPOP may not be atomizing well or the turbo is getting lag. Leaking up pipes, exhaust leak will cause extra unwanted smoke.
The characteristic of the pedal is for achieving many things like less smoke, lower EGT's better power along with better mileage. If ICP Or the HPOP is not right you will get more smoke. Just driving normally you should not have any smoke in any tunes.
Diane
If you mash it at cruising speeds, a respectable haze appears and quickly disappears.
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I've been running my 60e Mountain for several months now, under every scenario imagionable (except towing). My wife and I have spent so many hours behind the windshield, we both know every little nuance of "Stiny's" behavior.
I just received my 80e and downloaded it into the F6 yesterday. We are both blown away. It's not a ton more power, but it's "refined". One of my many hats at work is software beta tester and I know the difference between a program in the works and a refined product. The 60e "feels" like a project that isn't completed yet. If I were to place a bet: I'd say Jody started on this, then made some discoveries that became the 80e. He then went on to develop the 80e until it is the product I have now. This shift in attention (along with all his other duties) may have caused him to abandon refining the 60e - or at least put it on a low simmer.
All that speculation aside, if my wife and I both feel the difference and it's for the better - 80e is now my favorite tool in the box. I'm on a road trip and I'm pretty sure I see a bump in economy from the 60e to the 80e, but I will confirm at fillup.
I just received my 80e and downloaded it into the F6 yesterday. We are both blown away. It's not a ton more power, but it's "refined". One of my many hats at work is software beta tester and I know the difference between a program in the works and a refined product. The 60e "feels" like a project that isn't completed yet. If I were to place a bet: I'd say Jody started on this, then made some discoveries that became the 80e. He then went on to develop the 80e until it is the product I have now. This shift in attention (along with all his other duties) may have caused him to abandon refining the 60e - or at least put it on a low simmer.
All that speculation aside, if my wife and I both feel the difference and it's for the better - 80e is now my favorite tool in the box. I'm on a road trip and I'm pretty sure I see a bump in economy from the 60e to the 80e, but I will confirm at fillup.
