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Cargo Master
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You should get a Beetle with the diesel, that should be good for at least 15K. A Powerstroke can do it, so why not a VW diesel?
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My expedition was 02. I always wanted a f250 anyway. But i dont
Have the numbers i worked anymore. But i had
Something like 1800lbs payload
-750ish for hitch
-800 for passengers/dogs
-100 canoes/racks/paddles
-100 generator/fuel
-100 for bikes/rack
Puts me 50lbs over before luggage, food, and camping
Supplies. And when i boondock i dobt mind extra fuel and water which add upp lbs fast! Honestly im kinda pushing it with the 250 2750 capacity.
Have the numbers i worked anymore. But i had
Something like 1800lbs payload
-750ish for hitch
-800 for passengers/dogs
-100 canoes/racks/paddles
-100 generator/fuel
-100 for bikes/rack
Puts me 50lbs over before luggage, food, and camping
Supplies. And when i boondock i dobt mind extra fuel and water which add upp lbs fast! Honestly im kinda pushing it with the 250 2750 capacity.
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From: Gilbert Az.
I have a 1970 Fiat 500 2 cyl air cooled I wonder if he could set up a hitch ^so I can pull at least a 20' trailer with it? The 12" wheels might make it hard to find e rated tires though!
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Well I've been officially warned that I am trolling their forum. Any further outbursts of sensibility by me and I'll get banned 
funny they mention the long stopping distance...and the extreme tendancy of large trucks to rollover. care to see some fun #'s I came up with using our friend Google?
***umptions are wonderful things in the hands of idiots
2011 F-250 stopping distance from 70 MPH - 221 feet2011 Jeep Wranger Unlimited (4 door) stopping distance from 70 MPH - 217 feet2010 F-250 Rollover Resistance Rating - 4 out of 5 (better rated than my Expedition BTW
)2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rollover Rating - 27.9% (do the math and that is 3.5 out of 5)
I love to use Math, Logic, and Physics to make idiots feel stupid. But you can only lead a horse to water. Well I'm off to poke holes in their arguments and get banned for good. Y'all have fun
2011 F-250 stopping distance from 70 MPH - 221 feet2011 Jeep Wranger Unlimited (4 door) stopping distance from 70 MPH - 217 feet2010 F-250 Rollover Resistance Rating - 4 out of 5 (better rated than my Expedition BTW
)2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rollover Rating - 27.9% (do the math and that is 3.5 out of 5)
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From: Nowthen, MN
Well I've been officially warned that I am trolling their forum. Any further outbursts of sensibility by me and I'll get banned
funny they mention the long stopping distance...and the extreme tendancy of large trucks to rollover. care to see some fun #'s I came up with using our friend Google?
funny they mention the long stopping distance...and the extreme tendancy of large trucks to rollover. care to see some fun #'s I came up with using our friend Google?
***umptions are wonderful things in the hands of idiots
2011 F-250 stopping distance from 70 MPH - 221 feet2011 Jeep Wranger Unlimited (4 door) stopping distance from 70 MPH - 217 feet2010 F-250 Rollover Resistance Rating - 4 out of 5 (better rated than my Expedition BTW)2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rollover Rating - 27.9% (do the math and that is 3.5 out of 5)
I love to use Math, Logic, and Physics to make idiots feel stupid. But you can only lead a horse to water. Well I'm off to poke holes in their arguments and get banned for good. Y'all have fun2011 F-250 stopping distance from 70 MPH - 221 feet2011 Jeep Wranger Unlimited (4 door) stopping distance from 70 MPH - 217 feet2010 F-250 Rollover Resistance Rating - 4 out of 5 (better rated than my Expedition BTW
)2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rollover Rating - 27.9% (do the math and that is 3.5 out of 5)I think I know where my money is.
Then just for fun, we could simulate a brake failure on the trailer and run the test again.
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well I got banned before I could post up my rebuttal. I even found the stopping distance for a 2011 T&C (R/T Model) from 70-0 MPH. 189 feet!
so a 4 ton truck can stop withing spitting distance of a their "amazing" tow vehicles
so a 4 ton truck can stop withing spitting distance of a their "amazing" tow vehicles
Last edited by Tylus; Sep 12, 2011 at 08:06 PM. Reason: fix data from 2008 to 2011 specs
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Exactly what I was thinking, I'll gladly put up my F450 pulling the exact same thing as their cars and we can see who will stop sooner and who will lose control of the trailer quicker.
I've had a few "panic stops" where I have topped a hill pulling a load and everyone is stopped, would be dead if I was towing 2-3 times the rated GCVW of the truck. Guess I just need smaller brakes and a lighter truck/car to make it even safer.
I've had a few "panic stops" where I have topped a hill pulling a load and everyone is stopped, would be dead if I was towing 2-3 times the rated GCVW of the truck. Guess I just need smaller brakes and a lighter truck/car to make it even safer.
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you know, I've had a few opinions about FTE over the years, but this site has been pretty good about being open-minded and letting things flow. Thanks for the great job to the Mods. I appreciate the work. I can't believe I got blacklisted at the Airstream forum for questioning thier process and/or a sponsor of theirs.
are you still under review? or banned like I was? If you can, please post the following up. quote me and then paste it all in there. I spent a few minutes finding this information...I only feel they should at least have the opportunity to read it
If you could quote me from here on down that would be super 
yes, I do live in Hawaii. Doesn't mean I always lived here. And at some point I will leave. I grew up hauling Horseflesh and hay. I know a few things about Safely towing heavy loads. Legally or otherwise
I'm not an angry person. I was watching my 3yr old twins dance around pretending to be smurfs when I came across this thread.
I have made several valid points using verified data...and yet have not had a single response with any valid data from anyone sharing your point of view. Saying that ANDREW T is a professional and it's his reputation on the line carries no weight with me. He is a professional. Yep, he is also a man with a product/service to sell. Like I said earlier, Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
my appologies on the Wrangler. I got it confused with the Jag.
How are you within payload of your van? Tongue weight (around 8,000 wet weight?, so 10-15% tongue) is easily 800 lbs. Add 2 passengers, a tank of gas, a few items in the cab and you at knocking right at your 1,500 lbs payload. In all actuallity, you have probably blown right past your limit.
Have you ever wondered why a 8,000+ lb truck can stop in the same distance as a 4,500 lb Jeep? or within 2 car lengths of a Minivan? Continue that line of thought into towing.
My appologies for disrupting your happy thoughts Gentleman..and women about blissfully towing with inadequate vehicles. I just ask that you do a little research, look around, and most importantly, think about what you are doing. Some of the vehicles you guys are using to tow with don't even have a freaking frame! Or the hitch is connected to 1/16" thickness sheetmetal!
You're more likely to kill yourself playing Russian Roulette...but at least you'll only take yourself out.
Thank god. I thought i was the crazy one 
. I posted asking if the guy running the shop would sign an acceptance of liability for going over manufacturer ratings for accidents/vehicle damage. My account was suspended and am under review; do you think its becuase he is a "supporting" (payoff) member of that site?
. I posted asking if the guy running the shop would sign an acceptance of liability for going over manufacturer ratings for accidents/vehicle damage. My account was suspended and am under review; do you think its becuase he is a "supporting" (payoff) member of that site?btw, here is the PM I got from thier Admin...and my response.
I posted that my account was under review because your Forum actually directed me to a page that said as much.
I did not join your forum to troll. I did however see a bunch of people who are being led down a slippery and dangerous slope. Rather than assuming these people were right, or wrong even, I went and looked up several state laws and manufacturer data. I'll admit that my first thoughts on seeing this...I thought "are they insane". After looking around, I confirmed my initial thoughts.
Frankly, your forum is advocating an illegal activity. Your members, and a paid Sponsor are actively encouraging people to break the law. I know all forums do this (ie: take the cats off a vehicle for more HP)...but those forums aren't typically showcasing how not to tow a 25+ ft long trailer with an inadequate TV.
If you look around the 'Net at Ford websites, I'm a pretty active member on several of the bigger ones for 5/6+ yrs typically (FTE, MF, IMBOC, F150online). And normally I'm the type of member most Admins would love to have. I like to help people out and spread ideas/information.
Which is why I am here. I can only hope I never see one of these towing abominations on the same road I travel on. They are a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off. Hopefully they only take out themselves in a classic case of Darwinism. Most likely though they'll take out a whole slew of innocent people because some sponsor for your site and several other people ASSUMED they were right and ignored common sense and the Law and Manufacturer recomendations.
I will try to not antagonize your members of this site any more after today. I will however respond to any stupidity on their part with Logic and Data to back it up. So far, not a single person advocating thier position has responded with anything other than the statement that your paid sponsor has done this for years and it's his reputation.
Well then, I guess you guys would rather kowtow to your sponsor than have a good discussion going. Nice to know that your forum is so open-minded. I wasn't trolling.
Thank you,
Ty
Originally Posted by Janet
Hello - We note that you registered and posted to the towing thread recently and hope that you enjoy your time here at AIR. That said - I'd like to direct your to our forum rules particularly those regarding trolling. It is not acceptable to post in this manner.
I see that you posted here that your AIR account is under review. Is there some reason you believe this to be the case?
Janet
Forum Admin
I see that you posted here that your AIR account is under review. Is there some reason you believe this to be the case?
Janet
Forum Admin
I did not join your forum to troll. I did however see a bunch of people who are being led down a slippery and dangerous slope. Rather than assuming these people were right, or wrong even, I went and looked up several state laws and manufacturer data. I'll admit that my first thoughts on seeing this...I thought "are they insane". After looking around, I confirmed my initial thoughts.
Frankly, your forum is advocating an illegal activity. Your members, and a paid Sponsor are actively encouraging people to break the law. I know all forums do this (ie: take the cats off a vehicle for more HP)...but those forums aren't typically showcasing how not to tow a 25+ ft long trailer with an inadequate TV.
If you look around the 'Net at Ford websites, I'm a pretty active member on several of the bigger ones for 5/6+ yrs typically (FTE, MF, IMBOC, F150online). And normally I'm the type of member most Admins would love to have. I like to help people out and spread ideas/information.
Which is why I am here. I can only hope I never see one of these towing abominations on the same road I travel on. They are a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off. Hopefully they only take out themselves in a classic case of Darwinism. Most likely though they'll take out a whole slew of innocent people because some sponsor for your site and several other people ASSUMED they were right and ignored common sense and the Law and Manufacturer recomendations.
I will try to not antagonize your members of this site any more after today. I will however respond to any stupidity on their part with Logic and Data to back it up. So far, not a single person advocating thier position has responded with anything other than the statement that your paid sponsor has done this for years and it's his reputation.
Well then, I guess you guys would rather kowtow to your sponsor than have a good discussion going. Nice to know that your forum is so open-minded. I wasn't trolling.
Thank you,
Ty
who likes to spread it around
I'm not an angry person. I was watching my 3yr old twins dance around pretending to be smurfs when I came across this thread.
I have made several valid points using verified data...and yet have not had a single response with any valid data from anyone sharing your point of view. Saying that ANDREW T is a professional and it's his reputation on the line carries no weight with me. He is a professional. Yep, he is also a man with a product/service to sell. Like I said earlier, Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
ask you to stay the heck off of the road with a long-stopping-distance, rollover-prone heavy-duty truck. You can quote weight tables - or you can listen to an expert in towing who has set up 1000s of vehicles over the last 30 years.
BTW, I'm within payload limits (1500 lbs) on my van - I would be when towing a 25-27 trailer too. No need for airbags as properly setup weight distribution levels it out. And no one is saying that a Wrangler can tow a 28-31' trailer; the aforementioned CanAm client was towing a 25'.
Tom
BTW, I'm within payload limits (1500 lbs) on my van - I would be when towing a 25-27 trailer too. No need for airbags as properly setup weight distribution levels it out. And no one is saying that a Wrangler can tow a 28-31' trailer; the aforementioned CanAm client was towing a 25'.
Tom
How are you within payload of your van? Tongue weight (around 8,000 wet weight?, so 10-15% tongue) is easily 800 lbs. Add 2 passengers, a tank of gas, a few items in the cab and you at knocking right at your 1,500 lbs payload. In all actuallity, you have probably blown right past your limit.
It happens all the time with truck guys who fail to account that your GVW is established as 1 driver at 150lbs and no extra equipment in the vehicle. Weight adds up extremely quickly.
btw, before you quote the supposed instabilities of a large truck, please look around. You know the whole Pot, Kettle, Black thing. A very basic search of specifications on the internet and you'll find that you and Mr. Andrew have some very baseless assumptions about the dangers of towing with a truck. I like Fords, so I referenced a F-250 and compared it against the late model Wrangler and the T&C. 2008 T&C Minivan stopping distance from 70 MPH - 203 feet)
Granted, that is just a small snapshot from your tow vehicle selection. Those are just the 2 vehicles that screamed "oh no" to me. I would pick apart the Jag as well, but can't find any data on it for hard #'s. Car and Driver 2008 T&C review
2011 F-250 stopping distance from 70 MPH - 221 feetCar and Driver 2011 F-250 review
2011 Jeep Wranger Unlimited (4 door) stopping distance from 70 MPH - 217 feet2008 T&C Rollover Rating - 16.4% (so a little better than 4 out of 5)2008 T&C Safety Specs
2010 F-250 Rollover Resistance Rating - 4 out of 5 (better rated than my Expedition BTW )2010 F-250 Crash Specs (couldn't find 2011 ratings for rollover)
2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rollover Rating - 27.9% (do the math and that is 3.5 out of 5)2011 Jeep Wrangler Specs
Have you ever wondered why a 8,000+ lb truck can stop in the same distance as a 4,500 lb Jeep? or within 2 car lengths of a Minivan? Continue that line of thought into towing.
My appologies for disrupting your happy thoughts Gentleman..and women about blissfully towing with inadequate vehicles. I just ask that you do a little research, look around, and most importantly, think about what you are doing. Some of the vehicles you guys are using to tow with don't even have a freaking frame! Or the hitch is connected to 1/16" thickness sheetmetal!
You're more likely to kill yourself playing Russian Roulette...but at least you'll only take yourself out.
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This is the funniest and yet most disturbing thread I have read in some time. And it reminds me of the time in college, when I had no car but I did have a very nice bicycle. I was building a loft in the apartment so I went and got a Red Rider wagon, built an articulating hitch, hooked it up to my bike and then proceeded to the lumber store. I then bought a dozen 2x4's, a bunch of 1x's and other supplies and loaded it on my red wagon. Sober. The yard man was speechless. I proceeded home, which was 5 miles away. Apparently there were people who felt as you guys did as I was honked at. A lot. So down the hill I was going and yes, there was a stop sign. Brakes. Uh, brakes?? Please?? Uh, no. Oops. Through the stop sign I went. I learned the lesson then that heavy weight and bicycle brakes don't mix. Oh yeah, and I peeved a lot of people off that day too!
I now drive a truck that can handle my overloading adventures. Now if I can only avoid these idiots....
I now drive a truck that can handle my overloading adventures. Now if I can only avoid these idiots....
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From: Central Kansas
Geez, you guys still can't get past the gas vs. diesel debate!
After seeing the light, I myself choose to forgo those nasty polluters altogether. My new tow vehicle shall be an electric car. That guy over at the airstream forums can surely mount a gooseneck hitch on the roof can't he? At least the weight would be perfectly placed over the rear axle!
After seeing the light, I myself choose to forgo those nasty polluters altogether. My new tow vehicle shall be an electric car. That guy over at the airstream forums can surely mount a gooseneck hitch on the roof can't he? At least the weight would be perfectly placed over the rear axle!
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OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that this is a PhotoChop!!! I beg of you, PLEASE!!
I pull one of these trailers for a living, and that dozer needs at least six axles underneath it.... three on the trailer, three on the tractor drives, and one steer (yeah, that's seven; more than six!)
I don't wanna be in the same CONTINENT as that idiot, much less the same state or county..... To say nothing about how he's poaching my freight rates.
I think I'll go cry now.
-blaine