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Old Oct 8, 2020 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by xc4jokestomper
i know you can get ride of the smog pump and run a shorter belt but what all do you have to do to get rid of it? is it just a matter of unbolting it? do you have to cap anything off? im going to try and do it when i replace my core support and would like to know before hand what parts i need so i can go ahead and get them.

also i read on another thread about the air injection system delete? what gains and losses am i going to see from this? and what all is involved in that as well?
So much pointless terror about removing the smog system lol....
Its not the same as the EGR system.
Here is how to do it on the 89 to 96 302 set up and a simplified explanation of what of what it does I made a ways back:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post19042519
 
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Old Oct 8, 2020 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xc4jokestomper
i know you can get ride of the smog pump and run a shorter belt but what all do you have to do to get rid of it? is it just a matter of unbolting it? do you have to cap anything off? im going to try and do it when i replace my core support and would like to know before hand what parts i need so i can go ahead and get them.

also i read on another thread about the air injection system delete? what gains and losses am i going to see from this? and what all is involved in that as well?
Deleting the EGR system is pointless.
Its an emissions system yes but it also keeps your engine running cooler and thus better mileage and better for it all around.
Its a huge pain to remove it and it will throw codes to the PCM which will try and compensate for the change in exhaust and air intake readings resulting.
They sell a chip you can plug into the sensor it plugs into but I've read a lot of problems with this too.
The smog system is a secondary air pull system that adds fresh air into your exhaust stream. Essentially the addition of air helps the exhaust burn the hydrocarbons more efficiently as they dwell in the eshaust system before exiting to the atmosphere.
This system too doesnt really have any detrimental side effects to performace but it doesnt add anything either like the EGR does.
UNLESS you have broken hoses or leaks in the system especially behind the block with the vacumm lines going to the check valve etc.
I pulled mine out because I love having as much room in the engine bay as possible.....and mine was leaking in a couple spots lol
 
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Old Oct 8, 2020 | 10:07 PM
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It's really a matter of how in depth you want to go. On my 460, I removed the air pump, hoses, and valve. Redid my vacuum harness to remove line to valve, and capped off that port. You may also have to plug your manifolds, where the lines go in. Since i completely re-did my exhaust I did not have to deal with that. I just run a shorter belt. Only about 250 mes so far, but, no issues.
This should explain it. Again it is for a 460. To simplify, remove air pump and all connected hoses/tubes. Cap off lines at converter where air injection goes in, or replace with universal non air injected converter. Figure out what belt length you need. Replace belt. Cap off unused vacuum line at solenoid.
Do NOT delete the EGR. It is a separate system not directly related to air injection.
Again my 460 may be different than your small block. You may have to plug your heads, I did not have that issue on my 460, as the air injection went to a single bung on my manifolds, that i replaced with a Banks exhaust system. Hope this helps. It sounds confusing at first, but, take some time to look at the system, wires, pipe, vacuum lines, and it will make more sense.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by xc4jokestomper
i know you can get ride of the smog pump and run a shorter belt but what all do you have to do to get rid of it? is it just a matter of unbolting it? do you have to cap anything off? im going to try and do it when i replace my core support and would like to know before hand what parts i need so i can go ahead and get them.

also i read on another thread about the air injection system delete? what gains and losses am i going to see from this? and what all is involved in that as well?
deleting the smog system will cause less drag on the engine due to not having to turn as many pulleys with the belt which frees up a small amount of power and mpgs, it also makes the engine run healthier because injecting exhaust gas into the engine causes faster engine wear, poor fuel economy, and yes power loss. The cleaner and cooler the air/fuel mix is the better the engine will run so I’d absolutely remove it just like I do with cats because restrictions cause the same issues
 
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardin97
deleting the smog system will cause less drag on the engine due to not having to turn as many pulleys with the belt which frees up a small amount of power and mpgs, it also makes the engine run healthier because injecting exhaust gas into the engine causes faster engine wear, poor fuel economy, and yes power loss. The cleaner and cooler the air/fuel mix is the better the engine will run so I’d absolutely remove it just like I do with cats because restrictions cause the same issues
That is not what the smog system does, it helps converter to burn harmful gases, the EGR helps to control a certain amount of unburned hydrocarbons by recirculating some of the exhaust gases back into the combustion chambers, and another benefit of the EGR is to help control pinging, and actually helps cool down the combustion chamber. Our motors do not like ping, I know, because mine just bent 2 connecting rods, because I hadnt gotten the EGR pipe fixed, now it will be an expensive EGR pipe, as my wife made a haul of fire wood to her Aunt.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 07:17 AM
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EGR also improves low/part throttle fuel efficiency, as it displaces a portion of the air-fuel charge with inert gas, effectively reducing displacement. As torq stated above, the "smog" and EGR systems are two different animals.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardin97
injecting exhaust gas into the engine causes faster engine wear, poor fuel economy, and yes power loss.
Wrong, EGR causes BETTER fuel economy. EGR only operates with part throttle, cruising down the hwy there is no power loss. WOT there is no EGR functioning.

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The cleaner and cooler the air/fuel mix is the better the engine will run so I’d absolutely remove it just like I do with cats because restrictions cause the same issues
Contradiction, EGR causes LOWER cylinder temperatures, that is exactly why you get better MPG.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2021 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by xc4jokestomper
i know you can get ride of the smog pump and run a shorter belt but what all do you have to do to get rid of it? is it just a matter of unbolting it? do you have to cap anything off? im going to try and do it when i replace my core support and would like to know before hand what parts i need so i can go ahead and get them.

also i read on another thread about the air injection system delete? what gains and losses am i going to see from this? and what all is involved in that as well?
This is my link on the air pump delete, hope it helps, and yes, if done right, you can delete the entire air pump assembly. I am assuming by smog pump and air delete, you are using different terms for the same thing?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-project.html

If you are not running headers, you will see in this write up where you have to plug the factory manifolds. There will also be a plug at the catalytic converter you will need to figure out.
I now have several thousand miles on this delete, including 3 trips over Snoqualmie pass, towing our 9,000 pound 5th wheel, with no issues.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2021 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinv10
This is my link on the air pump delete, hope it helps, and yes, if done right, you can delete the entire air pump assembly. I am assuming by smog pump and air delete, you are using different terms for the same thing?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-project.html

If you are not running headers, you will see in this write up where you have to plug the factory manifolds. There will also be a plug at the catalytic converter you will need to figure out.
I now have several thousand miles on this delete, including 3 trips over Snoqualmie pass, towing our 9,000 pound 5th wheel, with no issues.
You forgot to mention yours is 460 specific.
302/351 have tubes running into the heads you have to plug the heads, Van E-series heads are already plugged.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2021 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OneFifty94
The smog system is a secondary air pull system that adds fresh air into your exhaust stream. Essentially the addition of air helps the exhaust burn the hydrocarbons more efficiently as they dwell in the eshaust system before exiting to the atmosphere.
Does all this injected air mean that an AFR gauge - which is really only looking at the amount of O2 - will read incorrectly if an engine has a Thermactor system?
[Truck: 1982 F250 HD, non-catalyst but with with Thermactor & EGR]

 
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Old Nov 10, 2021 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueWaitNoGreen
Does all this injected air mean that an AFR gauge - which is really only looking at the amount of O2 - will read incorrectly if an engine has a Thermactor system?
[Truck: 1982 F250 HD, non-catalyst but with with Thermactor & EGR]
No, O2 sensor is upstream of where air is dumped into CAT.

And, when in open loop(cold), O2 is not being used. The Thermactor system will divert air depending on engine temp, and many other variables.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2021 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wwhite
... [Truck: 1982 F250 HD, non-catalyst but with with Thermactor & EGR] ...
No, O2 sensor is upstream of where air is dumped into CAT..
At best, that will be both truck dependent and where one chooses to install the O2 sensor for the AFR gauge. Again, as stated for mine: non-catalyst - there is no cat. Further, the air injection points on mine are in the exhaust manifold- no way to get upstream of that; some descriptions of the Thermactor system state that it relies on the heat in the exhaust manifold to cause the burn off, implying that all that unmetered O2 in excess of what's needed goes down the exhaust pipe.


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And, when in open loop(cold), O2 is not being used. The Thermactor system will divert air depending on engine temp, and many other variables.
That may be the key to adding an AFR gauge: also add some mechanism to put the Thermactor in its by-pass mode and only take the AFR reading seriously when this is engaged.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2021 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueWaitNoGreen
At best, that will be both truck dependent and where one chooses to install the O2 sensor for the AFR gauge. Again, as stated for mine: non-catalyst - there is no cat.
"Upstream refers to air added at or near the exhaust ports. This is done to

provide better oxidation of the exhaust gas mixture when a richer exhaust gas

mixture is anticipated. It is not possible to operate in closed loop fuel

control while air is introduced upstream (the EGO sensor may always indicate

a lean condition)."

 
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Old Jul 19, 2025 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
Yeah there are two seperate "smog" systems on these motors, the EGR and the Thermactor(air injection). The EGR is the smaller/tidier system consisting of just 1 valve and a short steel hose between the exhaust manifold(5.8) or the lower intake(5.0), there is also a control solenoid(EVR) over by the coil that is connected to the EGR valve with a vacuum line. This system recirculates a small amount of exhaust gas back into the engine and it cannot be removed without setting a code.
The thermactor system consists of an air pump, two diverter valves, two control solenoids(TAB and TAD) over by the coil, and a mess of steel and rubber hoses that connect the pump to motor and the cats. This system is designed to supply fresh air to the cats to help them burn off excess hydrocarbons, and all this can be removed without affecting engine operation or setting a code but it won't make any difference to power output.
my Thermactor air injection system is disconnected from the catalytic converters. Do the pipes go from into the cats or is there only one going in just before the catalytic converter?

 
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