GVWR Question
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How so?
This is not true at all and I am not sure how you could even come to that conclusion. I have several CMV's that don't require a CDL. The only way a moped could require a CDL is if it was carrying enough hazmat to require one but what is the odds of that happening.
If you choose to continue with such absurd comments please back up your position with links or facts.
If you choose to continue with such absurd comments please back up your position with links or facts.
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I think you are confused now. We were talking about this.......
Which isn't true. Commercial use does not necessarily equal CDL.
Which isn't true. Commercial use does not necessarily equal CDL.
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You win. I'll leave it right there. I have my self covered and that's all that counts for me.
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Yup, have you? I doubt it because it doesn't have one thing about CDLs
I don't need to call mongomery to know that you don't have a clue here.
or called montgomery?
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Your right I don't have a clue.
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This should be a no brainer. I don't know what the weight jumps are. If it jumps 20k to 40k and you gross 20k most of the time haveing 40k tags can save you times when overloaded.
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From: Stillwater, OK
Just because you are doing business with a vehicle here DOES NOT mean you need a cdl, it means DOT #'s if over 10k GVWR or GCWR and a CDL is needed for 26k GVWR or GCWR. This is for NEW YORK, any of your states may be different.
A 'class A' combination is any combination of vehicles that has a GCVWR of 26,001# or more, given that the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of 10,000# or more. (this is the federal law, individual states can only LOWER the weight limits, not raise them)
A 'class B' is any straight vehicle that weighs 26,001 or more. (this is the federal definition, just like for class A, individual states can lower the limits, but not raise them)
A 'class C' vehicle is any vehicle that isn't class A or B. (motorcycles being the exception)
NONE of that has anything to do with a CDL... which is a license to drive commercially.
You can obtain a non-CDL Class A license... but they are pretty rare and often confuse the folks at the DMV which ends up making it not worth the hassle that it becomes. There are some states that simply do not give out non-CDL Class A licenses anymore.
I'll even repeat myself. A Commercial Drivers License (CDL) is required when you drive for hire (commercially).
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and this is how I KNOW you are confusing "Class A" with "CDL" (CDL stands for commercial drivers license)
A 'class A' combination is any combination of vehicles that has a GCVWR of 26,001# or more, given that the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of 10,000# or more. (this is the federal law, individual states can only LOWER the weight limits, not raise them)
A 'class B' is any straight vehicle that weighs 26,001 or more. (this is the federal definition, just like for class A, individual states can lower the limits, but not raise them)
A 'class C' vehicle is any vehicle that isn't class A or B. (motorcycles being the exception)
NONE of that has anything to do with a CDL... which is a license to drive commercially.
You can obtain a non-CDL Class A license... but they are pretty rare and often confuse the folks at the DMV which ends up making it not worth the hassle that it becomes. There are some states that simply do not give out non-CDL Class A licenses anymore.
I'll even repeat myself. A Commercial Drivers License (CDL) is required when you drive for hire (commercially).
A 'class A' combination is any combination of vehicles that has a GCVWR of 26,001# or more, given that the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of 10,000# or more. (this is the federal law, individual states can only LOWER the weight limits, not raise them)
A 'class B' is any straight vehicle that weighs 26,001 or more. (this is the federal definition, just like for class A, individual states can lower the limits, but not raise them)
A 'class C' vehicle is any vehicle that isn't class A or B. (motorcycles being the exception)
NONE of that has anything to do with a CDL... which is a license to drive commercially.
You can obtain a non-CDL Class A license... but they are pretty rare and often confuse the folks at the DMV which ends up making it not worth the hassle that it becomes. There are some states that simply do not give out non-CDL Class A licenses anymore.
I'll even repeat myself. A Commercial Drivers License (CDL) is required when you drive for hire (commercially).
I know the difference between a Commercial and a non commercial drivers license. The vehicle groups are more or less the same between the two. Non commercial is for CDL exempt drivers. Farmers and RVs for examples.
Maybe you could post the DOT definition of "commercial".
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Just for starters
Definition of a commercial vehicle taken directly from DOT website.
Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
Definition of a commercial vehicle taken directly from DOT website.
Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
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The law numbers I had posted didnt cover CDL as you stated. The paperwork I had covered more than that code. I just talked to montgomery and the state trooper office.
Heres the thing Department of revuene says if you make money your commerical. Now you have to tag according to the gvw and gcwv. Your tags "taxes" jump from 15% to 20%.
CDL's concerned if you tag for over 26,000 you'll have to have A CDLs. The trooper said he could find away to require CDLs for my GVWR 8800lbs f250 all the way down to class c. All you have to do is deliver fertiler. I was real lose in my termology and completely wrong about not having to do with weight. So i stand corrected.
Heres the thing Department of revuene says if you make money your commerical. Now you have to tag according to the gvw and gcwv. Your tags "taxes" jump from 15% to 20%.
CDL's concerned if you tag for over 26,000 you'll have to have A CDLs. The trooper said he could find away to require CDLs for my GVWR 8800lbs f250 all the way down to class c. All you have to do is deliver fertiler. I was real lose in my termology and completely wrong about not having to do with weight. So i stand corrected.
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From: Stillwater, OK
Alright,
It seems I've mixed some state regs in with the fed regs. The fed regs are much more lax than I'd posted.
The feds will allow any untested Joe drive a commercial Class C without Hazmat. However, many states won't... if you drive commercially, they require you to be licensed for it.
It seems I've mixed some state regs in with the fed regs. The fed regs are much more lax than I'd posted.
The feds will allow any untested Joe drive a commercial Class C without Hazmat. However, many states won't... if you drive commercially, they require you to be licensed for it.
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From: Stillwater, OK
It looks like all of the states I had in mind created a "Class D" vehicle in around 2005 to cover non-hazmat Class C vehicles...
so now CMV and CDL laws make no sense at all... it appears you can drive a commercial motor vehicle commercially without a commercial drivers license, but you can't drive a private vehicle not for hire over 26,000# without a commercial drivers license. Good luck explaining that...
so now CMV and CDL laws make no sense at all... it appears you can drive a commercial motor vehicle commercially without a commercial drivers license, but you can't drive a private vehicle not for hire over 26,000# without a commercial drivers license. Good luck explaining that...