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Didn't you see those 1 ton pickups with 40,000 lb stickers on the door? We do have those extra stickers in CA for last few years and they cost pretty penny.
That is why Ford is putting the small numbers on the pillar sticker.
10,000 GVW is the magic number where lot of states will consider the truck commercial, regardless the title and charge the fees accordingly.
In other words the pillar sticker is mandated by politics, not by engineers. Don't worry about it, unless you really want to pay higher fees. Just load your truck observing the suspension sag.
My truck has pillar sticker at 15k, I had it scaled at above 20 k more than once.

 

I upped my registration to 10k also, (9999 actual) even though my door sticker says 11,200.
When I first plated my truck here in Florida they registered me at 7999lbs.
I went back and asked where they got their numbers from, and the answer I got was "we have a book"
I told her that the truck weighs more than that empty with no fuel, and that her "book" is wrong, to which she just shrugged her shoulders.

Even though my door sticker sais 11,200, If I was to be weighed at 10,500 (for example) I would be considered overweight and ticketed IF my registration was at 7999lbs.

 

Yes you can matter of fact. You can tag anything any way you want. Its nothing but money to the state. The tag you get with a van, car, small truck is a under 8k lbs vechile. So the state has a max it can gross.
I don't think itnwould be smart to up the ranger but who knows. You got to understand that you tag your truck to it's weight. Not what it can haul or what the payload or whatever. Your tag for up to 7999 lbs covers everything weighting that. Now you have to understand that when the state figures what a truck can legally haul he uses the weight the truck is tagged for and there's a max that weigjted vichel can gross. Not what it is rated to gross or what it physically can gross. Each state has its gross it thinks is safe and go by it. Just in my example of my truck if I tagged it for 10k I bought myself we already know 1 ton of legal weight. Indont know the numbers 10k might be good to 15k maybe. So I'm covered w/ a ton of feed in the back of my truck. Why does this happen. Simple.nits about road tax heavier trucks do more damage so have to pay more of a share on repairs. Ford doesn't tell the state what that truck can or can't haul. That sticker is to you and you alone. The state trouper isn't going to put you on a scale then look at your door sticker. He's looked at your tag and knows what the state says it can gross.
Franko right on brother. Here in Al. They don't even ask. I guess a they just know that the 350s and down weigh less than 8k or suppose to. Catch 21 if you need another tag D1, x1, farm you have to tell them. Its your job to do so. The trooper isn't gonna listen to well the lady at the dmv gave me this tag. Farm tag allow you to go over the limits out so far from the farm. Generally pickup trucks is excempt out 100 mile with feed and livestock and 18 wheelers 50 miles with grain. Al has an agreement with its neighboring states to let us go 50 into its state under Al. Excempts.

 

Yep. Sure do.

 

Back in the day when I drove semi and straight dumps in Ohio, The six axle straight dump I drove was legal at 68,500. It was registered at 80k
It could have been registered at 70k, However we normally hauled between 73-74,000 To get the best rate hauling asphalt.
Every now and then one of us would get popped by the portable scales, and it would only end up as one overweight ticket, instead of gross overload, and a registration violation.
IIRC the overweight was a far lesser fine than the registration ticket.
I dont think most people even know what their pickups are registered at unless the truck is used for work.
I have never been weighed or inspected in my personal pickup, but I do haul heavy at times, and cross may state lines doing so, So being a class A CDL holder, I want to be covered if/when I get pulled.
Besides, I "should know better" after 13 or so overweight tickets in my driving career...

 

Al, has a messed up law.a semi with right tag can gross 88k on a small road and only 80k on the big road. A triple axle can gross 92400 on the little road. I've always thought it shoyld be other way around. Heavy on the big light on the little road.

 

Ohio is the same, I forget the exact numbers, but the "Ohio bridge law" has a formula that considers the amount of axles and the wheelbase to come up with a figure. IIRC it well over 80k. On the Ohio turnpike you can gross 90k? go figure.
Its strange to me that my six axle was legal at 68,500, but here in FL a tri axle is legal at 70k
Its all politics

 

Last year in PA the laws regarding truck weights and registration changed because the federal government threatened to withhold their highway funds if they didn't. I just attended a seminar put on by two of the PSP officers that do the heavy truck enforcement. Most of the people in attendance were contracters and commercial use type people. They said that if a truck and trailer is used to enhance a commercial interest (for profit) and the definition of commercial interest was a very large catagory, anything that had a combined GVWR exceeding 17,000 lbs needed a U.S. DOT number and the operator needed a physical card. My 2011 SD has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and my trailer is 9800 lbs. They said they go by the sticker on the door pillar and how the trailer is titled not how either is registered. Most of the people in attendance were unaware of the law changes as are most of the people I have talked to since. A few examples were discussed such as I make maple syrup, I asked if I was hauling a load of firewood how would that be considered. The trooper asked what I did with the wood and I said make syrup. He asked do sell the syrup and I said yes. His reply was that enhances a commercial interest so a U.S DOT numder and medical card was required. I guess my point with this ramble is know your states laws and the states you will be traveling in regarding weights and limits. The fines are extreme.

Jim

 

Definition: A way to make more revenue from the working man...
Thanks for sharing.

 

Franko72,
It all started at the dealer when we were doing the title work. The Superduty I traded in I had registered as a Class 2 which is 7000lbs. This new truck weighs 6660 or something and with anything in it it would be out of Class 2. Class 3 is 9000lbs so that works out better. Class 2 is a yearly fee of $81.00. Class 3 is $153.00. Quite an increase but less that some of the fines being passed out.

Jim

 

Here's the thing though, any vehicle used for commercial. Use has to have DOTs and the driver has to have CDLs. This isn't weight dependant or limited to trucks. A volkswagon beetle falls under this as well. I don't understand why they are going by the manufactors rating sticker instead of tagging. The sticker has no reflection on how the vehicle will be used. A f350 can be used to haul a boat to the river for fishing and an f150 can be used to haul your wood. The law inforcement in this case is just stupid and doesn't do anything.

 

I went through the process in last year, so let me correct some misunderstandings.
- DOT numbers are required ONLY if you drive in your business over state line.
-driving heavy (over 10k) flatbed in CA the only thing I had to get was CA number. Other states might have different law.
-CDL is necessary only if you drive a vehicle above 26k GVW, or tow a trailer above 10k GVW. This gets tricky, since not too many trailers have the gross clearly posted, but bottom line it is what trailer CAN weight, not what you are pulling that counts. Unless you are already pulling over 10k that is.
- Highway Patrol absolutely don't care what is the manufacturer hauling, or tow rating. Typical sample all those 1 ton pickups pulling 30,000 lb car hauling gosenecks.
- but they do care for you paying registration for the weigh your are hauling. So if your truck is registered at 10k and your set weights 15k, you will be in big trouble if they stop you at scales.

 

That is not true. It completly goes by weight.

 

Many states require DOT registration for intrAstate commerce.

BTW it is GVWR not GVW. Two completely different numbers.