All in the name of technology......

 

I'm not a fan of new Fords myself. I have a '76 & '86 that are still goin' strong, but the last 3 or 4 I had in the late 80's & early 90's were a total letdown for me.

But I still think Ford owners are cooler than Chevy owners.

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I myself own an 03 Hemi 1500 QC 4x4, and while I understand it isn't the quickest thing in the world, the Lightning & Harley will destroy it, but I do have to hand it to Dodge for making such a quick truck. I mean to make a 4x4 QC Pickup N/A that can do the 1/4 mile in the high 15's is pretty impressive.

And as said before, the Lightning & Harley are faster, but:

#1 They are only 2WD
#2 They have to be Supercharged to get that power

I am anxious to see what kind of performance a Hemi will be once the Kenne Belle SC comes out.

But again, stock for stock, the Lightning & Harley are obviously top dogs.

So far I haven't raced anyone fast, just a 2G Eclipse RS, Grand Cherokee 2WD V6, & a 2G Dodge Ram 4x4. None of those were close, but I wouldn't expect them to be either. The closest was the GC who got the jump on me, but I was still pullin' on him pretty hard. They were cool though, the passenger just smiled as I pulled past them.

I removed my Hemi badges so everyone thinks I'm a 4.7L.

Tuesday I have 4.56 gears going in to compensate for the 35" tires. Should be a little quicker than stock after that I hope.

 

Sorry for the lack of punctuation. Dodge never intended for the hemi to be a fast truck. If you want fast dodge will give you fast in the SRT-10 package. V10 500+hp 0-60 in 5 sec flat in a 5300 lb truck is fast and it has way more payload than the lightning. If you ask me the lightning is definatly fast but it wont haul nothing its basically a ranchero with a super charger on it. But who cares they are all trucks not dragsters trucks are noy supposed to be fast there intended to pull, push and haul.

 

yes i know a half ton would smoke a 3/4 or 1 ton i am talking a hemi half ton vs a half ton ford or two trucks of equal size like a 3/4 ton dodge 2 wheel vs ford 3/4 ford 2 wheel any and every body knows that the chrysler HEMI has always been one of the most advanced cyl head design even still today the most powerful engines designes ever developed

Yes, but you see, that was my whole point. The original question was if we thought that he could beat his neighbor who had a 3/4 Dodge Hemi 4x4 in his Ford 3/4 ton V10 2x4. I realize a 1/2 ton Hemi would beat any other half-ton out there (besides the Lightning and Harley), and the reason I mentioned the Harley was because you said that the only pickup Ford had that would beat the half-ton Hemi was the Lightning. So it'd be great if you could just settle down a little bit, all I was doing was making a point.

 

Hey duratec.... You just tried to say that the Lightning won't haul anything.... You actually stated it could "If you ask me the lightning is definatly fast but it wont haul nothing" that is a double negative. Anyway back to topic. I haven't seen the payload ratings for the 2004 lightning, but if I wanted to haul anything but some series butt I wouldn't buy a lightning.

I know not puntuated well.

 

Funny, ok back to the original topic I honestly do not think the ford has a chance. It may be a close race though being the ford is two wheel drive but if i had to bet, My money would be on the dodge just my opinion. FOR WHAT ITS WORTH

 

The Hemi is not what it used to be, really don't think it is all it is cracked up to be. Stock vs stock a 2wd is nearly always going to be faster than a 4wd.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pkupman82
The Hemi is not what it used to be, really don't think it is all it is cracked up to be.

Well as for towing goes, I agree. It's not the best engine for towing. As for speed goes, I highly disagree. Ford had to use an SC on a Harley F150 to get the speed it did, and even then the Harley is only slightly faster than the Hemi. So I would have to say for an N/A engine, the Hemi is extremely well. Kenne Belle has said it is the most powerful N/A truck they've ever dyno'd.

Granted that is correct, but that's only if you're talking about the same vehicle. If you want to compare for example an N/A 5.4L Ford 2WD vs. a Hemi 4WD, then just saying the 2WD will win b/c it is 2WD is incorrect.

As for the V10 2WD vs. the Hemi 4WD, I'm not sure. Have to look up some #'s on that one and see how quick the V10 is.

 

I agree the hemi is a good engine and a powerful one also. like i said before super chargr the hemi and then you will see awesome. most super charger companies claim a 45-50 percent increase, so if the hemi is 345hp 50percent more would be roughly be 172 additional hp for a grand total of 517hp WOW thats impressive. and that would make it the most powerful pick up on the planet. plus the hemi is still in its infantsy wait til dodge starts to revise the engine wich they most definetly will.

 

As for the comment that the Hemi isnt what is used to be well its not as many cubes as it used to be. truth is that for its size it is as powerful as the hemi of old if you look at hp/ci. actually 5.7 liter which is about 350ci or so making just about a hp per ci and the early hemi 426ci rated at 425hp so it is what it is cracked up to be. and the new hemi is doing it and getting respectable fuel economy and being strangled with emmision equiptment that the original 426 didnt have to comtent with. tha dodge boys arent worried about being politically correct just look at the viper who else would be bold enough to offer a 488cubic inchV10 monster which has been the absolute most powerful production vehical since its debut in the early 90s.

 

Another thing which is supposedly limiting the new Hemi potential is the computer. Not sure how much the computer is holding back but it does have a few things going against it:

#1 Torque on demand system - Computer limits the amount of torque with respect to how much you are pulling

#2 Throttle - there is no TPS, it is sensed and controlled by the computer, and there is a very noticeable delay... Dodge really needs to fix this one

#3 Speed limiter - cuts off at 105, but with it off I believe people have hit about 135, I would think it would do a bit better though, although I believe only the 2WD reg cabs should be allowed that fast anyway

 

I say lets all find a drag strip and runem. grab a cup of you favorite drink and let the smoke fly. who cares who would win it would be a fun time anyway.

 

I should have came to this forum before putting the answer to Fordman 350s question at the V-10 Forum. For the answer to his question-V-10 vs Hemi please go to the V-10 Forum. Go down 5 or 6 threads where it says V-10 vs Hemi and you will have the answer. Duratec, I hope it changes your mind about V-10s.

 

Yes, I would say that skipper has a point. Here's our answer...https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...readid=131398.

 

Fordman 350, thanks for moving the thread to over here. I am a computer dummy.LOL