Anyone try a programer yet?
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Not as LOL as you think. I bought a tuner to do exactly that and it works great. Power and mileage are back to where they should be (and a bit better). NO MORE CEL. IMHO I have suffered for long enough.
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H&S Black Maxx. I really like it. I also delete everything (EGR, urea, DOC, DPF) because I was so frustrated. I have never been a fan of EGR on a diesel (but I understand why they do it).
Anyway, NADP and H&S have been very helpfull. I am finally liking this truck again. I run it on the "mild" setting and it's a beautifly thing!
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Yes, a guy can only take soooooooo much!
H&S Black Maxx. I really like it. I also delete everything (EGR, urea, DOC, DPF) because I was so frustrated. I have never been a fan of EGR on a diesel (but I understand why they do it).
Anyway, NADP and H&S have been very helpfull. I am finally liking this truck again. I run it on the "mild" setting and it's a beautifly thing!
H&S Black Maxx. I really like it. I also delete everything (EGR, urea, DOC, DPF) because I was so frustrated. I have never been a fan of EGR on a diesel (but I understand why they do it).
Anyway, NADP and H&S have been very helpfull. I am finally liking this truck again. I run it on the "mild" setting and it's a beautifly thing!
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Idling it is not much if any louder than stock but you can sure hear the turbo. If you stand by the tailpipe it sounds like a hair dryer. When you get on it, it gets pretty loud and the turbo / waste gate noise is loud. Not bad in the cab (you can just barely hear it) but outside it is pretty loud. The DPF acts like a huge muffler stock. The actual muffler (that is left on the truck) is pretty small. I am exploring some options to get it back to stock "loudness" but there is not much out there to make it quieter. Aftermarket performance guys look at you a bit funny when you say you want it to be quiet, it's not in their vocabulary. I may just leave it as it is because it doesn't bother me, as long as I don't get hassled about it.
I really don't know what my mileage is supposed to be! My CEL came on in early Nov at 5,000 kM so I wasn't tracking mileange on the new motor. But for the 5 month with my CEL on I have been getting 14 MPG highway and about 10 city / highway (my daily drive has some of doth). Now I CAN get 20 MPG if I drive at 105 KM/HR (65 MPH) and 16 city / highway. These are hand calculated on stock rims / tires, unloaded. I would like to get you more information but my tires / rims / lift are her now so the numbers from here on will not mean anything. I was not going to keep this truck with all the issues I have been having but thanks to NADP I will, so the parts are going on soon.
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It CAN sound like this if you drive like this. I drive pretty conservatively. I don't make any smoke. But if you get on the fuel before the turbo spools up you can make some nasty smoke. AGAIN, it is not as bad as this if you don't drive like this!
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YouTube - H&S Performance Tuned 2011 6.7L Powerstroke
It CAN sound like this if you drive like this. I drive pretty conservatively. I don't make any smoke. But if you get on the fuel before the turbo spools up you can make some nasty smoke. AGAIN, it is not as bad as this if you don't drive like this!
Thanks
It CAN sound like this if you drive like this. I drive pretty conservatively. I don't make any smoke. But if you get on the fuel before the turbo spools up you can make some nasty smoke. AGAIN, it is not as bad as this if you don't drive like this!
Thanks
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Yes, I may try it some day! All I woudl have to do to get to 497 RWHP is push a button. But like I said, I only got the tuner get rid of all the CEL issues that were driving me over the edge. I leave it on the mild setting which is 371 RWHP and that is plenty for me!
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Currently in Beta testing, our 200HP Race file is making a little over 500RWHP with an AFE intake and emissions-delete exhaust.
As for fuel economy, we don't quote exact numbers due to the off-road nature of the DPF/SCR/DEF delete calibrations, but the gains are quite significant. DPF-On tuning with all emissions systems intact will yield a couple of extra MPG's likewise, but obviously not as significant
I do see a lot of misnomers flying around concerning issues with tuners being detectable, undetectable, punishable by lethal injection, ect
A huge portion of our development time for release of the 6.7L Phalanx console has went into this issue specifically- probably close to, if not as much, as the development of the tune files themselves.
Ford uses a significant amount of variations in the different factory "tune files", varying by vehicle type (pickup or cab and chassis), rear end gearing, and other factors-there are currently over 50 variations in factory filesets in MY2011 alone for the 6.7L. This is important because one of the most crucial aspects of making a tuner hard, or impossible to detect after removal, is to ensure that the EXACT same calibration/file set that was in the vehicle before tuning, is what ends up downloaded after being removed.
Reading/saving of the factory 6.7L ECM and TCM files is notoriously difficult and time-consuming for any tuner to do, since the modules were really designed as write-only. Two of the tuners currently on market handle the task of return-to-stock downloads with the magnificent atrocity of returning ALL trucks back to one specific set of stock files (if it is deserving of the name). Not only does this mean that there is a high chance that the truck ends up with a tune file that wasn't originally in the truck, but a reasonable chance that it is a file set not even configured correctly for that vehicle.
The real risk by handling the stock download this way, is that it is BLATANTLY obvious to any Ford employee (be it a dealer tech or Field Service Engineer) that the file is incorrect for the vehicle. Even the Ford IDS (Integrated Diagnostic System) will immediately throw red flags. You'll likely be screwed in short order, unless your tech happens to be very mod-friendly.
Our solution to that problem is a bit complex and took much development time, but we are actually using full sets of factory Ford VBF files (same files as used by the Ford IDS during a reflash) to re-install the identical files that were recorded by the tuner before installing a tune.
There are also other measures employed by the tuner to eliminate other tell-tale signs, such as permanently-stored DTC's and freeze frame data, from being detected as out of place or out of range for the vehicle.
I won't sit here and try to pretend that it is completely and entirely undetectable. If the modules were removed from the truck, send to Ford engineering for a full memory dump, subtle signs of changes would still be evident. But we've made it damn hard to detect- long out of the reach of any dealer technican or Ford FSE. With that said, the chances of having problems with warranty from the tuner itself is very, very slim.
As for fuel economy, we don't quote exact numbers due to the off-road nature of the DPF/SCR/DEF delete calibrations, but the gains are quite significant. DPF-On tuning with all emissions systems intact will yield a couple of extra MPG's likewise, but obviously not as significant
I do see a lot of misnomers flying around concerning issues with tuners being detectable, undetectable, punishable by lethal injection, ect
A huge portion of our development time for release of the 6.7L Phalanx console has went into this issue specifically- probably close to, if not as much, as the development of the tune files themselves.
Ford uses a significant amount of variations in the different factory "tune files", varying by vehicle type (pickup or cab and chassis), rear end gearing, and other factors-there are currently over 50 variations in factory filesets in MY2011 alone for the 6.7L. This is important because one of the most crucial aspects of making a tuner hard, or impossible to detect after removal, is to ensure that the EXACT same calibration/file set that was in the vehicle before tuning, is what ends up downloaded after being removed.
Reading/saving of the factory 6.7L ECM and TCM files is notoriously difficult and time-consuming for any tuner to do, since the modules were really designed as write-only. Two of the tuners currently on market handle the task of return-to-stock downloads with the magnificent atrocity of returning ALL trucks back to one specific set of stock files (if it is deserving of the name). Not only does this mean that there is a high chance that the truck ends up with a tune file that wasn't originally in the truck, but a reasonable chance that it is a file set not even configured correctly for that vehicle.
The real risk by handling the stock download this way, is that it is BLATANTLY obvious to any Ford employee (be it a dealer tech or Field Service Engineer) that the file is incorrect for the vehicle. Even the Ford IDS (Integrated Diagnostic System) will immediately throw red flags. You'll likely be screwed in short order, unless your tech happens to be very mod-friendly.
Our solution to that problem is a bit complex and took much development time, but we are actually using full sets of factory Ford VBF files (same files as used by the Ford IDS during a reflash) to re-install the identical files that were recorded by the tuner before installing a tune.
There are also other measures employed by the tuner to eliminate other tell-tale signs, such as permanently-stored DTC's and freeze frame data, from being detected as out of place or out of range for the vehicle.
I won't sit here and try to pretend that it is completely and entirely undetectable. If the modules were removed from the truck, send to Ford engineering for a full memory dump, subtle signs of changes would still be evident. But we've made it damn hard to detect- long out of the reach of any dealer technican or Ford FSE. With that said, the chances of having problems with warranty from the tuner itself is very, very slim.
It is disapointing to hear that the turbo is out of air around 200 extra hp mark.
Keep up the good work
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