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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stubborn66
I believe that there are three classes of CDL, A-B-C.
True.

Originally Posted by stubborn66
The A endorsement is for any commercial vehicle up to 80K in any combination (truck and trailer or just truck) with air brakes.
Class A is for combination vehicles with a CGVWR over 26k that include trailers over 10k GVWR. Class A's can be had with or without an air brake restriction and have no limit on weight.

Originally Posted by stubborn66
To get the A cdl you need to pass a section in the test for air brakes. I dont know of any vehicle on the road today that has a gross registered weight of 80K and does not have air brakes.
Again a class A can be had with an air brake restriction and the test does not need to be taken in an air brake equipped truck


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B and C licenses limited a driver in the weight you haul, the combination of truck and trailer, and if you take the air brake test or not.
Incorrect. Class B is for straight trucks over 26k GVWR and may tow a trailer with a GVWR up to and including 10k, but has no weight limit on the truck. Class C is only a carrier for the passenger, school bus and HazMat endorsements. Both classes can be had with or without an air brake restriction


Originally Posted by stubborn66
The B and C license is for the drivers who drive straight trucks at or above 26K registered weight and the dump truck and trailer driver who is not registered to the full 80K. Both of these types of vehicles can operate on both air brakes or hydraulic brakes.
80k has NOTHING to do with it. See above.

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Hope that clears it up some.
Between you and Dizzy I don't know who is ...........dizzier.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pjwoolw
Crete if there is any actual useful information you have to add please do so!
Is posting the correct info not useful? And right back at ya.

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Nitpicking about verbiage is not very useful.
This from someone that has added absolutely nothing to this thread.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 05:54 PM
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Not my area of expertise. Folks read these threads to learn. You are not adding anything positive to the thread. I won't be reading anything more you post in the future since you have nothing to say or add other than blowing your own horn. Not saying you don't know what your talking about but your communication skills seem to be lacking. If you believe that you are doing anyone any good in your statements in this thread you are sadly mistaken.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pjwoolw
Not my area of expertise. Folks read these threads to learn. You are not adding anything positive to the thread. I won't be reading anything more you post in the future since you have nothing to say or add other than blowing your own horn. Not saying you don't know what your talking about but your communication skills seem to be lacking. If you believe that you are doing anyone any good in your statements in this thread you are sadly mistaken.
Again, right back at ya.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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1.1 THE COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE
CLASSIFICATIONS
With the implementation of the Commercial Driver Licensing Program, Pennsylvania adopted a new
classification system. CDL classifications include:
CLASS A
A Class A license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their
qualifications to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating of
26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being
towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class A license is qualified to operate vehicles
for which a Class B or Class C license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must
be obtained.
CLASS B
A Class B license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their
qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or
more or any such vehicle towing a vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than
10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class B license is qualified to operate vehicles for which a Class C
license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
CLASS C
A Class C license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their
qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than
26,000 pounds or any combination of vehicles, except combination vehicles involving motorcycles,
that does not meet the definition of a Class A or Class B vehicle. Where required, appropriate
endorsements must be obtained.
NOTE:
You must be 21 years of age or older to operate a Commercial Motor Vehicle interstate. This
applies to ALL classes.
In addition to the CDL classes, there are also special endorsements and restrictions that you must
have to drive certain types of commercial vehicles. They are:

ENDORSEMENTS/RESTRICTIONS
ENDORSEMENTS
H -Required to drive a vehicle with hazardous materials placards (you must be 21 years of age).
N -Required to drive a tank vehicle.
T - Required to drive double and triple trailers.
P - Required to drive a vehicle designed to carry 16 passengers or more including the driver (buses).
S - Required to drive a school bus. Designed to carry 11 passengers or more including the driver.
X -Represents a combination of the hazardous materials and tank vehicle endorsements
(you must be 21 years of age).
RESTRICTIONS
L - Restricts the driver to vehicles not equipped with air brakes.
B - Passenger endorsement restriction–cannot drive Class A buses.
C -Passenger endorsement restriction–cannot drive Class A or B buses.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Since this is so contested, here it is straight from the USDOT FMCSA regulations.

THE DRIVER

Drivers have been required to have a CDL in order to drive certain CMVs since April 1, 1992.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) has developed and issued standards for the testing and licensing of CDL holders. These standards require States to issue CDLs to certain CMV drivers only after the driver passes knowledge and skills tests, administered by the State and related to the type of vehicle the driver expects to operate. Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below.

Classes of License:

The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.

Endorsements and Restrictions:

Drivers who operate special types of CMVs also need to pass additional tests to obtain any of the following endorsements on their CDL:



T - Double/Triple Trailers (Knowledge test only)
P - Passenger (Knowledge and Skills Tests)
N - Tank Vehicle (Knowledge Test only)
H - Hazardous Materials (Knowledge Test and TSA Threat Assessment)
X - Combination of Tank Vehicle and Hazardous Materials
S - School Bus (Knowledge and Skills Tests)
If a driver either fails the air brake component of the general knowledge test or performs the skills test in a vehicle not equipped with air brakes, the driver is issued an air brake restriction, restricting the driver from operating a CMV equipped with air brakes.

A driver must take the skills test in a motor vehicle which represents the type of motor vehicle that a driver applicant operates or expects to operate as defined by the vehicle classications described above. While these classifications are general for the class of vehicle, additional requirements exist for the passenger and school bus endorsements. To obtain a passenger endorsement, the driver must test in a passenger vehicle. To obtain a school bus endorsement, the driver must test in a passenger vehicle equipped with school bus features (lights, signs, etc). If a driver possesses a Class A CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class B vehicle the State must place a M restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class B and C passenger vehicle or school buses. If a driver possesses a Class B CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class C vehicle, the State must place a N restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class C passenger vehicle or school buses.



No need for name calling and all that.

Everyone seems to be strung a bit tight here lately in several posts.

Name calling is against the forum rules.

Consider this a warning.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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FMCSA definition: Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination (articulated) vehicle. In the absence of a value specified by the manufacturer, GCWR will be determined by adding the GVWR of the power unit and the total weight of the towed unit and any load thereon.

Interpretation: DOT officers will get your GCWR by adding the GVWR of your truck to your GVWR of trailer. You must never go over your GAWR (posted on the door jamb of the truck and the drivers side front portion of the trailer), however many people also report that they only check TIRE ratings, not axle ratings (GAWRs defined by the manufacturer are artificially limited by stock tires. E.g. my rear GAWR is 6084 which is the limit of two 235/85R16 or 245/75R16 3042 lb. tires). Inherently you are going to go over your truck's GVWR
 
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