To Much Torque
Post Fiend
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
"Frosty's Driver" is also a woman.
Have not seen her for a while either.
3000 pounds....not sure
I never haul that light.
Try 9700 on a SRW with an 8 x 9 foot dump bed.
The only other time I had axle problems, a locker exploded and took everyting out of the axle.
The hills here are steep enough that a heavy load makes it impossible to steer the truck when it locks and you have weight in the bed.
Truck goes straight no matter where you turn the front wheels.
Take this trailer and skid steer, about 14,000 pounds.
And pull it up this hill.
The grade right in front of that blue and white house on the right side of the street is 32%.
I know for sure it is, that is one street over from my house and I shot it with a transit to see how steep it was.
This is what breaks transfer cases, twists drive shafts, breaks IFS 44 axles on ice and makes everything fun.
44 axle shaft
I had 10 or 12 of those in my junk pile.
If I remember right I broke every one of them plowing snow.
I even twisted several axle shafts while it was a NA 6.9 plowing snow.
Have not seen her for a while either.
3000 pounds....not sure
I never haul that light.
Try 9700 on a SRW with an 8 x 9 foot dump bed.
The only other time I had axle problems, a locker exploded and took everyting out of the axle.
The hills here are steep enough that a heavy load makes it impossible to steer the truck when it locks and you have weight in the bed.
Truck goes straight no matter where you turn the front wheels.
Take this trailer and skid steer, about 14,000 pounds.
And pull it up this hill.
The grade right in front of that blue and white house on the right side of the street is 32%.
I know for sure it is, that is one street over from my house and I shot it with a transit to see how steep it was.
This is what breaks transfer cases, twists drive shafts, breaks IFS 44 axles on ice and makes everything fun.
44 axle shaft
I had 10 or 12 of those in my junk pile.
If I remember right I broke every one of them plowing snow.
I even twisted several axle shafts while it was a NA 6.9 plowing snow.
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From: in the shadows
Dave, this is a very pretty engine that you have there - and it obviously works just as good as it looks too. Very neat truck you drive, also 
So, about the axle, if I am understanding you correctly, it will have no problem with the spool and it will not break anything, but the truck as a whole will not steer good on slippery surfaces when there are several thousand pounds of stuff in the bed? So then it is not a good idea to have a spool... Okay, posi-traction it will remain.
So, about the axle, if I am understanding you correctly, it will have no problem with the spool and it will not break anything, but the truck as a whole will not steer good on slippery surfaces when there are several thousand pounds of stuff in the bed? So then it is not a good idea to have a spool... Okay, posi-traction it will remain.
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From: Elk City, OK
your asking for trouble if you do. Start loading the rear, or pulling a trailer and make a turn, damage. They are terrible for turning in conditions with little traction too. Trying to make a switch back even with a locker will scoot you sideways vs pivoting.
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From: in the shadows
I see. Thanks for the explanation, the trucks I mentioned are fullsize trucks but rarely get anything heavy in the beds, so maybe that is why these guys can get away with using spools all the time? I too have nothing heavy to haul with my truck, well right now it has quite a bit of rocks in it (I think about 1000 lbs) for traction, but the 3000 lbs number was just something I came up with as the most load I am allowed to have based on the 10 000 lbs registration. Why I will ever have the need to haul 3000 lbs of stones or something else, in all honesty I have no idea, tehe But I think I understand what you mean, and so I will not be having a spool installed, but will instead keep the factory posi-traction, as it already does a good job at keeping me moving at decent speed through snow. Or, maybe, do you know of a way to make the factory posi-traction more powerful, so it makes it more difficult to spin one tire, but without acting too much like a spool?
But I think I understand what you mean, and so I will not be having a spool installed, but will instead keep the factory posi-traction, as it already does a good job at keeping me moving at decent speed through snow. Or, maybe, do you know of a way to make the factory posi-traction more powerful, so it makes it more difficult to spin one tire, but without acting too much like a spool?
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Post Fiend
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
If you have an empty truck, one tire doing a little slide is no big deal on or off road.
But when you put weight on the rear, then something like an axle might break before the tires break traction.
Before the locker exploded, more than once I scheared off the bolts that hold the axle to the rear hub when I was hauling weight.
The locker was great when I was plowing snow or out in the mud.
But I am much happier with the traction lock (clutched limited slip) that I have now when I load it down.
But when you put weight on the rear, then something like an axle might break before the tires break traction.
Before the locker exploded, more than once I scheared off the bolts that hold the axle to the rear hub when I was hauling weight.
The locker was great when I was plowing snow or out in the mud.
But I am much happier with the traction lock (clutched limited slip) that I have now when I load it down.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
With what I use my truck for, the ARB air locker is what I should have gone with.
But the price for two units was about double what the trac locks cost till you add in the onboard air.
But that would have also been handy to tie into the air bags I also run.
But the price for two units was about double what the trac locks cost till you add in the onboard air.
But that would have also been handy to tie into the air bags I also run.
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