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Nov 8, 2010 | 12:46 PM

John_deere_kid

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2011 F550 Questions

Hi guys, im new to new vehicles completely (as you can tell by my sig). My dad is a fire truck dealer and he just received delivery of an F550 chassis cab that we're taking to the shop this week to put the bed on. We have a couple questions. This truck has the Urea(sp?) injection. I thought I remember seeing something about it only doing the regeneration at highway speeds(55mph?). This truck is going to be a brush truck/crash response truck for an area that has very few places that it might ever get above 50 mph. What could possibly happen? Secondly, PA has the no idle law, without the parking brake, it shuts off after 5 minutes. With the parking brake it shuts off after 15 minutes. This truck can't just shutoff like that. Any ideas on how to take care of this. Would setting it up with a high idle switch take care of this?

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-Craig

Nov 8, 2010 | 12:59 PM

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I think the ford dealer can change settings in the computer for both those things, with the right documentation. I do NOT think you can solve either by yourself..

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Nov 8, 2010 | 01:54 PM

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It you do the high idle mod then I would imagine it will run longer than that see the link:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tml/Q180r1.pdf

Nov 8, 2010 | 02:27 PM

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It you do the high idle mod then I would imagine it will run longer than that see the link:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tml/Q180r1.pdf

you are probably right on that.. the pto shouldn't be turned off just because of some time limit..

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Nov 8, 2010 | 02:37 PM

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If it wasn't for the horrible consequences I would say just let the thing shut down that way the government can see what happens when they make stupid little rules!

Nov 8, 2010 | 03:29 PM

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I would think that similar to Ambulance duty, there must be a specific PCM flash and warranty among other things for Fire/Rescue service. I really don't think DOT, Gov't insurance and liability agents would be able to accept registration and service of a local or state gov't vehicle that is not set up to specific manufacturer specs for these kinds of things.

Nov 9, 2010 | 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportscraft

If it wasn't for the horrible consequences I would say just let the thing shut down that way the government can see what happens when they make stupid little rules!

Ya, I dont really see that working out to well. The problem is that the fire department this truck is being built for, went to the ford dealership, spec'd the truck and upon delivery, the keys were then handed over to us. Now had this been an older diesel, I wouldn't be afraid to work on it as im just graduating from college as a diesel technician. But when i talked with some of the instructors at school, the mutual response was when you find out let us know.

As for the regeneration. For you guys that have 2011 6.7L, what's your experiences with it. When does it do its "regeneration"? How often does it do it? Any other info will be great, as i was talking with dad this weekend, and he is spec'ing another one of these trucks for a possible sale.

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Nov 10, 2010 | 08:44 AM

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This truck will never get cruising unless we have to take it back out to the shop an hour away. It will be all in town and up in the hills and switch backs.

Nov 10, 2010 | 09:13 AM

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I can't help but say that there is a big knowledge gap here that can be figured out that will solve these potential issues that you are curious about.

Your F550 is significantly different than most of our standard duty trucks.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...s-pick-up.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...questions.html

I did a quick search and found several threads outlining the obvious differences. There just has to be a commercial duty listing somewhere that will explain the emission system and specific needs for Ambulance service, which is what I would think you need to have.

In my F250, there could be enough of a problem with clogging the DPF that it would just shut itself down and not allow it to be run without service. This possibility is obviously NOT an option for your business so you need real information from Ford Motor Company. You need to legally cover yourself from providing EMS type vehicles that may go into limp mode at just the wrong time.

Nov 10, 2010 | 01:41 PM

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I'll post this in a separate thread so it doesn't get lost, but here's some new information on DPF regen.

The 2011 Job#2 Chassis Cabs will offer a feature called OCR, or Operator Commanded Regen. It's an "optional" feature that you would need to order. The Job#2 Trucks are expected to be given the green light sometime soon to go on sale. Note that we're currently working out how to provide this as a customer pay add-on feature to the 2011 Job#1 Chassis Cabs. Timing at this point is TBD, and again it only available on the Chassis Cabs. I added the text from the latest Diesel Supplement below to provide some of the details.

NOTE: There's an alternative aftermarket tool available for Fleet Customers. Although it's directed at larger fleets that would rather not order the OCR option on every truck.

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Ford Fleet DPF Regeneration Tool - $575.00 <FORM method=post action=https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr target=paypal><INPUT value=_s-xclick type=hidden name=cmd> <INPUT value=NH9DJG7XNQZ7J type=hidden name=hosted_button_id> <INPUT border=0 alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" src="https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/btn/btn_cart_SM.gif" type=image name=submit> </FORM>The DPF Regeneration Tool is a custom version of the standard MyCANIC interface that is dedicated to running the Ford diesel particulate filter regeneration sequence for fleet customers.

6.7L Diesel Supplement Info:

Operator commanded regeneration (OCR) (if equipped)
If your vehicle is operated with significant stationary operation, passive
and active regeneration may not sufficiently clean the DPF system. OCR
allows you to manually start regeneration of the diesel particulate filter
(DPF) at idle (while stationary) to clean the DPF. If you are not sure
whether your vehicle is equipped with this feature, contact your
authorized dealer.

When to perform OCR

Use the OCR feature when the

DRIVE TO CLEAN EXHAUST FILTER

message appears in the message center and:
•

the operator is not able to drive in manner that allows effective

automatic cleaning (active regeneration),

•

or the operator instead wishes to manually start regeneration

(cleaning) of the DPF while the vehicle is idle (stationary).

OCR precautions and safe exhaust position
WARNING:

Failure to comply with the following instructions for

operator commanded regeneration (OCR) may result in fire,
serious injury, death and/or property damage.
Before you start OCR, observe/do the following:

•

Place the vehicle in P (Park) with the parking brake set on stable,

level ground.

•

The vehicle must not be parked in a structure.

•

The vehicle must be away from any obstructions within 10 - 15 feet of

vehicle,

•

and must be away from materials that can easily combust or melt such

as: paper, leaves, petroleum products, fuels, plastics and other dry
organic material, such as grass.

•

Make sure there is a minimum of 1/8 tank of fuel.

•

Make sure all fluids are at proper levels.

Make sure that the louvers (holes) located at the tip of the exhaust are
also clear of any obstructions as they are used to introduce fresh air into
the tailpipe to cool the exhaust gas as it leaves. See

Exhaust under the

Cleaning

chapter for more information.

How to start operator commanded regeneration (OCR)
WARNING:

Stay clear of exhaust tip during regeneration. You or

others can be burned.

Note:

OCR will not be allowed to operate if the service engine soon

light is illuminated

Note:

During the use of OCR, you may observe a light amount of white

smoke. This is normal.
1. Start with the vehicle engine fully warmed.
2. Press the Info button on the steering wheel until the message center
reads

EXHAUST FILTER XXX% FULL.

3. If the DPF needs cleaning and the vehicle is warmed up, a message
requesting permission to initiate filter cleaning is displayed

EXH XXX%

FULL CLEAN Y/N

. Answering yes to this prompt and then following

prompts will initiate OCR. Be sure to understand each prompt. If you are
not sure what is being asked by each prompt, contact your authorized
dealer

Hope this helps.

-Paul

Nov 14, 2010 | 01:07 PM

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Wow, thanks guys. Ill have to check in on this stuff. We did find out though that this truck does not have an idle shutdown. We put it in the parking lot and 30 minutes later it was still running.

Nov 14, 2010 | 11:15 PM

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I have a 450 chassis cab and do mostly short trips, between 5-15 miles, and haven't had an issue with the regen yet. It seems to go through the regen at any speed, it may take longer to finish if you aren't going that fast but I'm not sure. I don't let it idle very much, so I can't help you there.