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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 07:46 AM
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You are DEAD WRONG!. Not saying your sportrac didnt get painted the wrong color, but the manufacturer of the aftermarket paint makes no difference. The factory paint doesnt come from any aftermarket paint company. All aftermarket paint (ppg, dupont, sherwin williams, speis hector, valspar, martin senior, etc) is designed for a perfect factory match. I use dupont and can tell you that most paint codes have 3 or 4 variations with in them. The only way to pick the correct variation is with the vin number.
No, I'm not "DEAD WRONG", and for you to say so shows your own short-sightedness. Using your logic, I should be able to go to Home Depot and buy some interior paint in the Behr brand, take the coding to Lowes, get the same sheen in Valspar, and it will match. Guess what?, it DOESN'T. The Dupont in Zinc Yellow (we'll use my wife's Sport-Trac as an example) did not match the SW in Zinc Yellow, and the body shop ADMITTED THE ERROR and got the SW which matched. It took them a few days to figure it out, but they actually did the research which you might benefit from sometime in the future. There IS a difference. The color was the same, but when it was out in direct sunlight, there was a HUGE difference. Maybe Ford creates and makes their own paint (bet that's expensive) but our most trusted body shop in ALL of Colorado (down in the Springs) can identify a difference between Dupont and SW. So could I out in the sunlight, and that little trucklet was only 2 months old at the time, so it wasn't a major fading problem. Most auto manufacturers get their paint products from Dow and BASF, (Google it) BASF and Dupont work together constantly when they're not suing each other. Ford may create and mix their own original colors, but they don't own the huge petrochemical plants that make the actual product. They couldn't afford to.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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No, I'm not "DEAD WRONG", and for you to say so shows your own short-sightedness. Using your logic, I should be able to go to Home Depot and buy some interior paint in the Behr brand, take the coding to Lowes, get the same sheen in Valspar, and it will match. Guess what?, it DOESN'T. The Dupont in Zinc Yellow (we'll use my wife's Sport-Trac as an example) did not match the SW in Zinc Yellow, and the body shop ADMITTED THE ERROR and got the SW which matched. It took them a few days to figure it out, but they actually did the research which you might benefit from sometime in the future. There IS a difference. The color was the same, but when it was out in direct sunlight, there was a HUGE difference. Maybe Ford creates and makes their own paint (bet that's expensive) but our most trusted body shop in ALL of Colorado (down in the Springs) can identify a difference between Dupont and SW. So could I out in the sunlight, and that little trucklet was only 2 months old at the time, so it wasn't a major fading problem. Most auto manufacturers get their paint products from Dow and BASF, (Google it) BASF and Dupont work together constantly when they're not suing each other. Ford may create and mix their own original colors, but they don't own the huge petrochemical plants that make the actual product. They couldn't afford to.
Nope, you are still wrong. House paint and auto paint are two different things. You could never mix and match two different brands of house paint and get it to match. But with car paint you can.
Auto makers dont use a base coat clear coat type paint. It is a completely different process. The aftermarket paint companies spend millions formulating their paint to match factory paints. Dupont does the same research and lab work to make their paint be a perfect match for each and every factory color as ppg would do. PPG and dupont have different products but they are both manufactured to be a factory match. NO reputable shop carries more than one brand of paint. Bigger shops get their paint directly from the manufacturer and the reps of the paint companies would never allow a shop to have more than one line. From what you are saying certain shops should be able to repair certain makes of vehicles based on the paint they are set up for. I went to school for 4 years for this, I worked at a dupont paint store right out of school and I now have a small body shop. YOU ARE WRONG, plain and simple.

EDIT: If you are so sure, then please show me where on a vehicle it says what paint maufactuer was used on it?
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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Nope, you are still wrong. House paint and auto paint are two different things. You could never mix and match two different brands of house paint and get it to match. But with car paint you can. You can match the COLOR, but the base will be different in both residential, and automotive. (*** in Colorado Springs)
Auto makers dont use a base coat clear coat type paint. It is a completely different process. The aftermarket paint companies spend millions formulating their paint to match factory paints. Dupont does the same research and lab work to make their paint be a perfect match for each and every factory color as ppg would do. PPG and dupont have different products but they are both manufactured to be a factory match. NO reputable shop carries more than one brand of paint. (False: *** in Colorado Springs. "We spray ALL paints to ensure the best repair for the customer. We may cost more up front, but the results are worth it.") Bigger shops get their paint directly from the manufacturer and the reps of the paint companies would never allow a shop to have more than one line. (False: *** in Colorado Springs. By carrying more than one brand, it creates competition and inspires innovation. We would NEVER sign an exclusionary agreement with anyone. If DuPont told us we couldn't shoot Sherwin-Williams paints, we'd tell them to get bent". From what you are saying certain shops should be able to repair certain makes of vehicles based on the paint they are set up for. No, you are saying nobody can shoot more than one brand of paint, and it's because you WORK for Dupont. I went to school for 4 years for this, (And I went to school for HVAC and work on and sell MANY brands of furnce, condensing unit, and RTU) I worked at a dupont paint store right out of school and I now have a small body shop. YOU ARE WRONG, plain and simple. You advertise for Dupont, plain and simple.

EDIT: If you are so sure, then please show me where on a vehicle it says what paint maufactuer was used on it?
I had misspoke when I stated that in my original post. I thought there was a super-secret code somewhere on the vehicle, but it was the guy who has owned his shop for THIRTY-NINE years whose trained eye spotted the difference in paints when I mentioned it. that was 8 years ago, so he's owned it for for FORTY-SEVEN years now. Like I said, and like *** in Colorado Springs said in their quotes above (I just got off the phone with Ron (Owner)) you're wrong, but I won't capitalize it. They have every major certification including the Ferrari restoration and certification certifications. Sheesh, they work on Rolls and Bentley's too. Might cost you 20k for a fender bender in a Bentley, but it will be better than new when it's repaired. As pricey as they are, I only went there because it was an insurance claim on a 2-month old vehicle. A buddy of mine had his Grand National painted there for a low, low 14k and it was flawless.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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I had misspoke when I stated that in my original post. I thought there was a super-secret code somewhere on the vehicle, but it was the guy who has owned his shop for THIRTY-NINE years whose trained eye spotted the difference in paints when I mentioned it. that was 8 years ago, so he's owned it for for FORTY-SEVEN years now. Like I said, and like *** in Colorado Springs said in their quotes above (I just got off the phone with Ron (Owner)) you're wrong, but I won't capitalize it. They have every major certification including the Ferrari restoration and certification certifications. Sheesh, they work on Rolls and Bentley's too. Might cost you 20k for a fender bender in a Bentley, but it will be better than new when it's repaired. As pricey as they are, I only went there because it was an insurance claim on a 2-month old vehicle. A buddy of mine had his Grand National painted there for a low, low 14k and it was flawless.
If they are soo good then why did you have to take a vehicle back to them that didnt match? Why did you, the untrained customer, spot the bad match and they didnt. I dont know the shop or the people there, but it sounds to me that they fed you a LARGE line of BS to cover the fact that they tried to panel paint instead of blending.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:12 AM
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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cough... off topic... cough...
In a way you are right, but you were given bad advice and I felt it my duty to straighten out the bad advice. Not my fault it turned into a whole debate...
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Futuresweets-10
If they are soo good then why did you have to take a vehicle back to them that didnt match? Why did you, the untrained customer, spot the bad match and they didnt. I dont know the shop or the people there, but it sounds to me that they fed you a LARGE line of BS to cover the fact that they tried to panel paint instead of blending.
I didn't take it back. I went to pick it up and they were looking at it outside when I walked up. They spotted the mistake before I did. It looked fine to me (and my untrained eye) until they had me look at it with a pair of weird glasses on.

Let it go...

BTW, that IS the OP you just replied to....
 
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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BTW, that IS the OP you just replied to....
I know... I just caught that...
 
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