Chips or tuners
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GET RID OF THAT EDGE ASAP !!!!!! Long story short and many moons ago, new to the diesel world i got a Edge Juice w/ Attitude. The actual module that sat under the hood like edge said to mount FRIED 3 times. Once pulling my 16' box trailer through town. Another while sitting at a red light and the other Turning left across 6 lanes with traffic coming. Truck Just died. I unplugged it and bam back to the norm. Not to mention 1 replacement monitor.
Edge Replaced every "faulty" module and on the 3rd one i told them they were junk. They sent me the edge evo with the monitor. I think that was the cause of my tranny failure but not 100 %. It gave good power but only ran it in 80hp.
After reading and saving my $$$$$ i finally went with a DP Tuner. It is a night and day difference than the cookie cutter brands like edge, super chip etc. I did keep the evo monitor for my gauges and to retrieve DTC.
All in all great info on FTE on this topic. What kinda power you looking for ? what mods have you done so far ? whats the purpose of ur vehicle ? and do you have gauges ?
I will see if i can find a write up to link with some discussion on chips/tuners etc
Edge Replaced every "faulty" module and on the 3rd one i told them they were junk. They sent me the edge evo with the monitor. I think that was the cause of my tranny failure but not 100 %. It gave good power but only ran it in 80hp.
After reading and saving my $$$$$ i finally went with a DP Tuner. It is a night and day difference than the cookie cutter brands like edge, super chip etc. I did keep the evo monitor for my gauges and to retrieve DTC.
All in all great info on FTE on this topic. What kinda power you looking for ? what mods have you done so far ? whats the purpose of ur vehicle ? and do you have gauges ?
I will see if i can find a write up to link with some discussion on chips/tuners etc
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With a good tuner jumps you up to around 300hp. Getting to 400 is REAL expensive. Plenty of guys on here have 400hp and more. If you want that and are ready to $$$, this is the best place for advice.
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400 isn't that hard or expensive, but it will run a couple grand for sticks, tunes, and air. 500 is expensive.
To explain really quick some of the terminology:
-tuner: person or company that writes calibrations.
-Calibrations: the data that the truck runs off of.
-chip: hardware that contains calibrations that plugs directly to the PCM. Usually are switchable on the fly. Truck reads calibrations directly from the chip, nothing is changed on the PCM itself. Common models are TS style chip, DP chip, hydra, infinity, etc... (Hydra and infinity are fairly new technologies from PHP and DP respectively, and are kind of hybrid chip/programmers).
-flash programmer: hardware that rewrites the calibrations that are stored to the PCM. Not able to a switch on the fly, usually takes several minutes to change from one calibration to the next. Usually have diagnostic features. Some can contain calibrations from a tuner of choice.
To explain really quick some of the terminology:
-tuner: person or company that writes calibrations.
-Calibrations: the data that the truck runs off of.
-chip: hardware that contains calibrations that plugs directly to the PCM. Usually are switchable on the fly. Truck reads calibrations directly from the chip, nothing is changed on the PCM itself. Common models are TS style chip, DP chip, hydra, infinity, etc... (Hydra and infinity are fairly new technologies from PHP and DP respectively, and are kind of hybrid chip/programmers).
-flash programmer: hardware that rewrites the calibrations that are stored to the PCM. Not able to a switch on the fly, usually takes several minutes to change from one calibration to the next. Usually have diagnostic features. Some can contain calibrations from a tuner of choice.
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400 isn't that hard or expensive, but it will run a couple grand for sticks, tunes, and air. 500 is expensive.
To explain really quick some of the terminology:
-tuner: person or company that writes calibrations.
-Calibrations: the data that the truck runs off of.
-chip: hardware that contains calibrations that plugs directly to the PCM. Usually are switchable on the fly. Truck reads calibrations directly from the chip, nothing is changed on the PCM itself. Common models are TS style chip, DP chip, hydra, infinity, etc... (Hydra and infinity are fairly new technologies from PHP and DP respectively, and are kind of hybrid chip/programmers).
-flash programmer: hardware that rewrites the calibrations that are stored to the PCM. Not able to a switch on the fly, usually takes several minutes to change from one calibration to the next. Usually have diagnostic features. Some can contain calibrations from a tuner of choice.
To explain really quick some of the terminology:
-tuner: person or company that writes calibrations.
-Calibrations: the data that the truck runs off of.
-chip: hardware that contains calibrations that plugs directly to the PCM. Usually are switchable on the fly. Truck reads calibrations directly from the chip, nothing is changed on the PCM itself. Common models are TS style chip, DP chip, hydra, infinity, etc... (Hydra and infinity are fairly new technologies from PHP and DP respectively, and are kind of hybrid chip/programmers).
-flash programmer: hardware that rewrites the calibrations that are stored to the PCM. Not able to a switch on the fly, usually takes several minutes to change from one calibration to the next. Usually have diagnostic features. Some can contain calibrations from a tuner of choice.
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Well, yeah. Although I think the HD will do ok at 400. It's about $3k. I'm planning on a BTS, but it all depends on how long my stocker holds out. If I can manage another year, I think I can swing a BTS. If my wife doesn't give me too much lip about the condition of her caddy.
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Transmission, sticks, turbo, chip, custom tunes, and air throughput alone will set you back a bit. There was an article in a diesel magazine that said 400HP will ultimately cost between $5K and $10K, after all the upgrades/repairs are conducted for a balanced/reliable DD. I can't argue with this... predicated on the pothole on my posterior, positioned in proximity of where my pesos were previously parked.
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I ran my Juice w/ Attitude for a long time. My problem with it, it didn't do anything for the transmission. Start turning up the power levels and I could feel it slipping. I was much happier with my Diablo Predator programmer. Ended up just using the Attitude monitor for gauges for a long time.
I liked being able to change power levels on the fly with the Edge over the Diablo flash programmer. With a chip and switch you can do both...
I liked being able to change power levels on the fly with the Edge over the Diablo flash programmer. With a chip and switch you can do both...
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