Jet fuel / POL exposure and hearing loss.
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Jet fuel / POL exposure and hearing loss.
Yet another reason to avoid skin contact and excessive breathing exposure to fuels/hydrocarbons:
https://www.research.va.gov/currents...ing2014-11.cfm
https://www.research.va.gov/currents...ing2014-11.cfm
Scope Wizard
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can't be any worse than when we spent hours in a JP-4 fuel cell changing out probes and boost pumps on our HH-3E birds.
not to mention the hours of using Carbon Tet, Trichloroethylene, PD-680 and a number of other nasty things.....
I have all sorts of Nervous disorders today.... it eventually all catches up with you
not to mention the hours of using Carbon Tet, Trichloroethylene, PD-680 and a number of other nasty things.....
I have all sorts of Nervous disorders today.... it eventually all catches up with you
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Trichloroethylene actually replaced 1,1,1, Trichloroethane as the "safer" alternative. I always thought that one 1 was probably enough, but I dunno. It worked good. MEK is another strong solvent.
Scope Wizard
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I didn't know that since Trichloroethylene was mass produced back as far as the 20's according to Wiki.... I'm not a chemical engineer, but I have sure worked with some nasty chemicals in my life time.... and yeah we had 55gal Drums of MEK along with several Epoxy strippers that we used on regular basis, even the Zinc Chromate Spray bombs are pretty much non existent nowadays.... I know a few companies that you can still buy it from as I still use it a lot on marine drives.
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I didn't know that either, I figured it was the "new and improved!" Defanged version 2.0. They were starting to get serious about HazMat and exposure to solvents when I was in the .mil though. The problem as I see it is there's never any in between or discretion. Like tobacco. One minute everybody is smoking on elevators, the next it's practically illegal everywhere and harder to get than weed. We had several different types of good avionics CPCs and contact cleaners that worked. I should have snagged a can or two. That seems to be the issue, anything that actually works, does an effective job, gets banned. "Trike" was an all purpose non-residue solvent for cleaning electronics, like cannon plugs. Sometimes nasty chemicals are required, no way around it.
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"anything that actually works, does an effective job, gets banned."
Man I agree with that ^^^^^^ 200%
I guess that is one reason so many folks still use Gasoline as a parts cleaner .... even in it's watered down state today it's very effective and cheap <<<== but I didn't say that because today they call that "Hate Speech"
adding a little ATF helps take the Bite out a bit
Man I agree with that ^^^^^^ 200%
I guess that is one reason so many folks still use Gasoline as a parts cleaner .... even in it's watered down state today it's very effective and cheap <<<== but I didn't say that because today they call that "Hate Speech"
adding a little ATF helps take the Bite out a bit
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That should work good, ATF has a bunch of "soap" in it, some kind of metal detergent. Mixed with Acetone, Kerosene, and Charcoal starter fluid in equal parts, makes up "Ed's Red" all purpose firearms cleaner & lubricant. A small amount of lanolin mixed in when warm make it a very good preservative. Coleman fuel (Naphta) makes a good base for a few things like that too, itself leaves no residue.
Everclear used to be almost pure high speed hot runnin' torpedo juice but the ******* made 'em tone it back a bit. Dumb kids drinking it straight. I wouldn't drink the stuff, but it was a great way to get almost pure alcohol for hobbyist use. Since anything that works gets banned, ya gotta roll yer own, literally.
Everclear used to be almost pure high speed hot runnin' torpedo juice but the ******* made 'em tone it back a bit. Dumb kids drinking it straight. I wouldn't drink the stuff, but it was a great way to get almost pure alcohol for hobbyist use. Since anything that works gets banned, ya gotta roll yer own, literally.
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So what are you looking for here? VA bennies?
The blue water navy just got there bennies for Agent Orange. Twelve miles off shore. Can you believe that?
So now it is the guys who gassed up the choppers?
Please, A break for us bushrats.
Semper Fi
The blue water navy just got there bennies for Agent Orange. Twelve miles off shore. Can you believe that?
So now it is the guys who gassed up the choppers?
Please, A break for us bushrats.
Semper Fi
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Without knowing what research is behind how the blue water folks got what they got I can't make a fully informed comment, but aerosolizing over 13 million gallons means many, many tons of vapor and mist some of which can travel a long way. The wording is specific in that vets have to have a condition considered presumptive for Agent Orange, not merely being 12nm off the coast.
Many support personnel were exposed like USAF crews working transient alert on Ranch Hand birds which included servicing agent tanks. Dioxin is amazingly toxic.
The other chemicals mentioned are now restricted in industry because casually poisoning workers used to be acceptable and isn't today. Just because A1C Snuffy didn't drop dead on the spot doesn't mean exposure lacked consequences. Jet fuel in its various versions isn't just kerosene and someone cleaning parts long ago would have been drenched in PD-680, carbon tet, trich, etc whose waste plumes still poison CONUS installation ground water today.
https://psmag.com/environment/what-h...t-camp-lejeune
https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/
None of the compensation for that casual government negligence takes a dime from the grunts. That's a myth.
https://www.va.gov/disability/eligib...ships-vietnam/
This must be true:
This must be true:
- You have an illness we believe is caused by Agent Orange (called a presumptive disease)
- Were aboard a U.S. military vessel that operated in the inland waterways of Vietnam, or
- Served on a vessel not more than 12 nautical miles seaward from the demarcation line of the waters of Vietnam and Cambodia (as detailed in Public Law 116-23, the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2019)
The other chemicals mentioned are now restricted in industry because casually poisoning workers used to be acceptable and isn't today. Just because A1C Snuffy didn't drop dead on the spot doesn't mean exposure lacked consequences. Jet fuel in its various versions isn't just kerosene and someone cleaning parts long ago would have been drenched in PD-680, carbon tet, trich, etc whose waste plumes still poison CONUS installation ground water today.
https://psmag.com/environment/what-h...t-camp-lejeune
https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/
None of the compensation for that casual government negligence takes a dime from the grunts. That's a myth.
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can't be any worse than when we spent hours in a JP-4 fuel cell changing out probes and boost pumps on our HH-3E birds.
not to mention the hours of using Carbon Tet, Trichloroethylene, PD-680 and a number of other nasty things.....
I have all sorts of Nervous disorders today.... it eventually all catches up with you
not to mention the hours of using Carbon Tet, Trichloroethylene, PD-680 and a number of other nasty things.....
I have all sorts of Nervous disorders today.... it eventually all catches up with you
Scope Wizard
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But still I have onset Diagnosis of Bilateral Tremors which my VA doctors want to say "Parkinson's" now but years ago just called it Bilateral Tremors.
My Birds were HH-3E ... do you know what a Fuel Cell is ? .... a Probe is the fuel Level sender and Boost Pumps are in the Cell ... the 2 main Cells in our bird were 4000 Lbs of JP4... you had Man Hole Covers that you could open up and crawl into the tanks to do work. .... but we worked with other stuff that was probably worse...
can't be any worse than when we spent hours in a JP-4 fuel cell changing out probes and boost pumps on our HH-3E birds.
not to mention the hours of using Carbon Tet, Trichloroethylene, PD-680 and a number of other nasty things.....
I have all sorts of Nervous disorders today.... it eventually all catches up with you
SO what is your Point ????
EDIT: obviously the answers were not known and I changed my mind and just chalked it up to Snowflake Response
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