Dude, if you think this is bad, try asking how to make more smoke..

 

This will be my last response to this site.

I'm tired of good intentioned people asking for sound advice and or personal experience and all you get is a few smart *** know it alls who don't have a clue and no facts busting my nuts when I respond with my own X success stories.

I DON"T NEED THAT!

Site monitor, please cancel my account

DSMMH

 

While you did not direct this at me, I have a feeling that I'm included in that as well. A few problems as it directly relates to me.

1. Not only was I giving personal experience from myself, but also what I have observed from people. Both groups have done more extensive mods then what you have listed in your siggy. Given that I'm talking not only about my personal experience, but also what I have observed from others, I would think that it would also come under the heading of sound advice as well as I've(and they) pushed the envelope further with the 6.0 as it relates to the powertrain compared to you.

2. To my knowledge I(or anyone else) hasn't resorted to name calling other then you("smart *** people"), that doesn't go well with trying to prove your point.

3. Your success story is suspect. It is suspect because you make no mention of what brings you to your conclusion that your MPGs improved with the addition of the a/m intake. Like I said before, your "success story" seems to hinge on the logic of: "I did "A", I observed "B", so therefore, "A" caused "B". Do you know what else follows that same logic: "I flew to Las Vegas(I did "A"), I won lots of money(I observed "B"), therefore, when I fly to Las Vegas I'll win lots of money(therefore, "A" caused "B"). Does that logically follow?

If you don't want people "busting your nuts" when you talk about your success stories, then give reasons why you have come to that conclusion, not resort to name calling. A lot of issues have come about with the 6.0 because people just believed everything under the sun without "thinking" about it. I've fallen into that too, I'm not a clean "virgin" when it comes to that either. Just because someone questions you doesn't mean that you need to get in a huff. If what you say is true, state why it's true, state what reasons you have come to that conclusion. If they are sound reasons, then what you think will survive scrutiny. Those that blow up tend not to like when things they believe are questioned, because more often then not it's a fragile belief and they don't want it "destroyed". More often then not that's the case.

Granted I'm not well liked because of how I go about things, I try to do it the best way I know how. I just want people to look beyond the ad campaign to really see if things are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

 

Tex,

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one!

You are well liked by me (sample 1),

and based on what I read of the highly knowledgeable and respected members on here, you are well liked AND respected for your sheer technical expertise and experience. (sample 5 to 25)

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Perhaps what you mean is the findings you present (based on both your very rigorous research and observation of others) is not liked because it does not necessarily tell people what they want to hear.


I am with you about people throwing money / bling bling on their trucks for negligible gain.

My ghetto ride (M-Chan certified) is,

- RELIABLE (with notable issues related to 265,000 miles of heavy use).

- INEXPENSIVE (very low cost of ownership)

- Hardly modded from factory.

A few known issues fixed, but nothing big, no ARP studs, etc.


But then --- I also don't overstress my motor ever --- even though it had a hard life in the previous 250,000 miles.


So to conclude --- you are mistaken.

You are well liked by me and many others.

Even when you tell me things I don't want to hear!

 

Tex,
It seemed maybe in your last post you were quessing at who "DSMMH" was referring to. Well, i'll just say I am talking to you now. I'd like to start by saying i'm sorry for anything I may have said out of line. I love this site and unless i'm kicked off I"ll continue to be on here every night. but you and a few others really need to look at how yall come accross with some of your information. Sometimes just a knowlegable answer is all thats needed. i probably will never know as much about these trucks as you do and i really do want your advice. But when someone asks a question, just give the answer. Its not anyone's place to pass judgement on what people spend their money on or the way they choose to "waste" money. I was told if i wanted more hp, then someone would show me how. this wasnt about hp. I was told that loud noise didnt win races. Can you lease bend your rules and see how any of that was an answer to my question. I remember when i wanted a 5" exhaust, I had seen it on other trucks. The answer I got was "I didnt need it". Is that really an answer?? Finally after I kept embarrassing myself, someone said I didnt have enough hp and it would kill my bottom end. So i listened to the advice and got the 4". Its kinda like when you go to home depot and ask where something is,, and the guy asks "what are you gonna do with it".. thats not what i asked. I only wanted to know where it was. The answer to these questions we all ask should be answers, not opinions. what you do with your truck is certainly your buisness. If i was a 12" lift with 40s on it as my daily driver, is that really your concern. Now if the 40s would eat my front end up, ,then thats what i need to know. The answer should not be pointed in the direction of, because you wouldnt do it, and thats its not a good idea. Everyone has likes and dislikes and i'm quite certain that its not many trucks on this site that is exactly alike. All i'm saying is that some of the answers come across quite hurtful and even i know that loud trucks dont make hp. Im really sorry, i even brought this question up. I guess from now on,, i'll just do a search to see if anyone else has ask a certain question before, so i'll know if its safe to ask it. Just remember,, if you are asked for your "opinion" or what you did with your truck,, then thats fine. If not,,then the real answer would probaby be best.

 

Lewis, Tex, everyone!

Take a deep breath!

Everyone like to have a bit of fun on here!

 

I'll post a sound clip after work today. Kinda makes you wonder why the ford engineers went through all the trouble to route intake noise into the new mustang's cabins.

 

I was, but I did have good reason to suspect considering he made that comment in this thread and as far as I could tell there were only 2 people that really challanged what he believed and I was one of them. So while he didn't say to whom he was specifically referring to, I have a 50/50 shot it did include me.


Nothing you said was out of line. At least not in my opinion, but I can't speak for everyone.



The thing is you are asking for a judgment. You are asking people what they think about a set of items, so they are pulling from their knowledge and passing judgment on if something should or should not be had.

You may or may not like the answer, that's something else entirely, but you are asking people to pass judgment on things based on their experience.

You might ask what Pxxxx is and what could cause it. Well, we have to make a judgment call on what could cause it based on the code itself and what the symptoms are that you are experiencing. Might be right, might be wrong, but it's still a judgment call. Might tell you were not to look so you don't waste time as well.

Let me put it to you this way. Let's say that everyone just focused on sound alone. They said that this intake could get you the most aggressive sound. If they just answered your question alone, you may not find out if that intake has other issues, issues that are of concern and are potentially expensive issues. Wouldn't you like to be informed of everything to make a fully informed decision?


That isn't a quality answer that's for sure. I would agree with you on that.


I can't say if that would be a good thing or not. It would depend on the situation. Sometimes that "what are you gonna do with it" comes in handy.

1 example is that I used a local term for a product that I was looking for(at Home Depot ironically) and he didn't know what I was talking about. He asked me what I was going to use it for and so I told him what it was used for and he knew exactly where it was.

So, yes and no on that example. I would need to know the specifics of the situation before I could say one way or the other on it.

Now if the 40s would eat my front end up, ,then thats what i need to know. The answer should not be pointed in the direction of, because you wouldnt do it, and thats its not a good idea.[/quote]

Once again depends on the situation. You may or may not be correct in your assessment of this situation in particular, but that doesn't mean that it holds true in the next scenerio. I would agree with it in some cases, but not all.


I may be matter of factly in my answers, but I always try to be as repectful as I can be. I don't resort to name calling(I'm not saying that you said I did) or any of that other bluster that all it does is inflame and confuse. I may think some unflattering things, but I try to keep that out of my posts.

It's going to be hard to ask any question and not get an opinionated answer. Some are backed up with nothing but opinions and some have reasons to support those opinions. Those that have reasons to support them, I would regard those as "real answers", I don't know if you do or not.

 

I can't believe I have missed all the fun ..............

Here are some things to consider:

1. Lack of air filtration can cause premature turbo blade wear and wear in the cylinders (as William said). Whatever intake you get needs to be reputable IMO and come w/ a lot of users recommendations. It should be rated at the same or better filtration as the factory unit (IMO). This is 99.99% removal of particles 1 micron or bigger. The problem is - there is no stated procedure for doing the filtration test (ie what flow rate, temperature, tests at various stages of loading, etc). Also, there is NO WAY that you can easily relate a problem to a poor filter - it just takes too many miles.

2. An oiled air filter CAN cause issues w/ the MAF sensor IF the oil gets past the filter and onto the sensor.

3. If a filter flows more air at less pressure drop, it is either larger (more filtering area) or less efficient at filtering.

4. Our engines pull a slight vacuum on the air system due to pressure losses from the filter and ducting to the turbo. I see a measurable vacuum (magnahelic) at WOT when I take readings on the crankcase (using the dipstick tube to take the reading). I like this because it helps pull gasses and water vapor out of the crankcase. Who knows if an aftermarket filter even affects this, but it is a change - especially if there is a significant difference in the filter pressure loss.

Lastly, I work in the Chemical Industry and we buy a lot of filters. My experience is that most filter companies have VERY creative ways of manipulating tests and statistics to promote their product. Going w/ industry "proven" products is well worth doing.

Lewis - you did talk about performance, so I will add that MANY people w/ hp improving mods have done side-by-side dynos and have seen no dfference - up to 500 hp or so (as Tex has stated). This was a very common topic in the early days of the 6.0L engine. These folks include guys that are in the aftermarket parts sales business. They would not take this position unless they really did believe it. Clearly this is just an opinion since I have not personally done the tests, but I do know the reputation of several folks that have. If you really just want an aftermarket filter, I would recommend an AFE Proguard 7 as William did (have one on my 7.3L and I like it).

 

That's the way I do mine..Simple & no busted knuckles and yes I learned it on FTE

 

Tex...You are well liked by me !!!

 

Forget it. I won't even waste my time.

 

Well here goes my opinion...

First, I want to clear this up. We all need to be talking about the same intake kit !! Someone said the AFE kit was the best? Ill go with that example then...

Obviously there are ****ty intake kits out there, and good ones out there, just like every other aftermarket product. There's always good ones and bad ones. Lewis was asking for the best intake for the 6.0l, and some say its the AFE. Just like the SCT is the best programmer for the 6.0l. We can't be talking about just any aftermarket intake! We know our fussy 6.0ls need the best! We need to be talking about the best one! If we are unsure of the best one, lets find it!

IMO i feel that if you are against aftermarket intakes, don't recommend them... HOWEVER, I don't think you should be steering people away from them.

I feel that on this site it only takes ONE person with a strong opinion about something such as intakes to persuade the rest. We then forget where the facts came from. Where does it state the AFE intake doesn't filter as well? Who says there's no HP/MPG gains? Nobody asks these questions because they figure that the person who told them a/m intakes are ****, would know the answer to these, but guess what...he probly doesn't. He's just going by what the other a/m intake hater said, who doesn't know the facts either btw. Nobody know the facts, they just jumped on the bandwagon because the wagon leader is very intelligent (its just too bad even he doesn't know the actual facts about a/m intakes).

Some may want an a/m intake for the simple fact that they like modding vehicles. It's a hobby for some. They like to pop the hood and see a/m products. To them, the less stock components, the better. So to people like this, let them have their intakes! (it just better be the top of line intake for the 6.0l). Not only will they enjoy the fact that they have completed another mod on their truck, but who knows, maybe they will see the odd HP gain or MPG gain. And hey, if not, at least you've got a sweeter sounding truck, that's easier to do filter changes on!

 

Oh I can answer the first one about the HP gains. Too much dyno time, but it does come in handy. I do have a problem with the second one. I don't think you really posted this to get it going again, but I can do something with those two questions.

 

I have a Volant intake on the shelf in the shop with 2 inches of dust covering the box. Stock intake 425 Hp, best of 13.7 in 1/4 mile on 35 inch tires. I as with many here, bought an aftermarket market intake looking for gains. Multiple trips down the track along with Dyno time has shown me no improvements over the stock intake filter.

Hard not to step on toes when this discussion comes around on intakes in the forum. The final decision is yours to make for what is best for you. If you use an after market intake, fine by me, I bought one also at one time. Carry on gentlemen.