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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 12:26 AM
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1996 302 - to dual quad or not?

I'm picking up my new 1996 302 out of a Bronco on Saturday for my '51 F-1 project. I'll be swapping out the EFI for an intake and carb. All was going well while I was shopping the intake/carb until the darksider in me started thinking about a dual quad setup. So here's a little background;

This truck will be a daily driver for me, but only in the summer (not much more than 4 months up here). But I also want it to be a formidable foe at a stop light.

I've never cared much about mileage, but I would like to see it at least up above 10-12 in town.

Also there will be a 5spd behind this, probably a T-5.

So if I take a stock '96 302 and simply bolt on a dual quad setup will I see a lot more performance or will I just burn it rich like crazy because the air won't keep up with the fuel?

Any info/suggestions appreciated!

- Joe -
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 03:38 AM
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You will most likely burn rich because the air won't keep up with the fuel. You need better heads to use that much carburetor.

The other thing is, I thought dual quads were more for high rpm power. You really want something with low rpm torque in a truck.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 05:25 AM
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You will definitely need to build the engine with very good heads, cam and exhaust to
effectively use dual 4bbls. The original Shelby and Ford dual quad setups were just
like the big block setups in that they ran off the primary side of both carbs all the time.
Not real good for mileage. They had Holley carbs with vacuum secondaries. If you
want a cool looking and great running setup that would also give you decent mileage
and great driveablity, consider a 3 2bbl setup like the original Cobra kits offered.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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why not go efi, i wouldnt run what that bronco had in it but get yourself a mustang mass air efi harness and computer. you can leave all of the efi stuff on that 96 motor and that mustang harness will hook right up. doesnt get any easier than that and you will get great driveability and better mileage
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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A single 500cfm 4bbl is overkill for an all stock 302.. the heads and cam are simply too small. 275hp is all it will make with a wide open headers and a single plane intake on an engine dyno... and it takes more than the stock truck cam to get that output.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xlt4wd90
You will most likely burn rich because the air won't keep up with the fuel. You need better heads to use that much carburetor.

The other thing is, I thought dual quads were more for high rpm power. You really want something with low rpm torque in a truck.
Any suggestions on heads? ALso, this truck won't be driven like a truck much and it weighs around 3k so not much more than a car of that era.

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You will definitely need to build the engine with very good heads, cam and exhaust to
effectively use dual 4bbls. The original Shelby and Ford dual quad setups were just
like the big block setups in that they ran off the primary side of both carbs all the time.
Not real good for mileage. They had Holley carbs with vacuum secondaries. If you
want a cool looking and great running setup that would also give you decent mileage
and great driveablity, consider a 3 2bbl setup like the original Cobra kits offered.
I'm not opposed to a triple setup, do you know of anyone that makes an intake like that for my '96?

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why not go efi, i wouldnt run what that bronco had in it but get yourself a mustang mass air efi harness and computer. you can leave all of the efi stuff on that 96 motor and that mustang harness will hook right up. doesnt get any easier than that and you will get great driveability and better mileage
I really don't like messing with computer stuff on my current vehicles I wouldn't want to have to do it on this toy too. I know it sounds weird since i'm putting a 45 year newer engine in it but I don't like the idea of that modern of a setup in a 50's truck. Just like I wouldn't put electronic gauges in it. But i'm weird...

Originally Posted by Conanski
A single 500cfm 4bbl is overkill for an all stock 302.. the heads and cam are simply too small. 275hp is all it will make with a wide open headers and a single plane intake on an engine dyno... and it takes more than the stock truck cam to get that output.
The cam is definitely the first upgrade i'll be making to the engine, any recommendation on size and i'll ask you the same about a good head suggestion also.

Thanks for the replies guys!
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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The 3X2 intake and carbs are still avialable as reproductions of the originals. Do a Google
search and you can find sources. The originals are very expensive and the repos are
about the same as a dual 4bbl system. I still have an original system that I ran on on
a stock 1968 302 4bbl engine and they ran great.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 09:00 PM
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Three deuces? Summit sells a ready-to-run set up. Be prepared to swallow your testes, though...

Summit Racing SUM-CSUM1906 - Summit Racing® Triple 2-Barrel Combos - Overview - SummitRacing.com
 
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lvin4jc33
The cam is definitely the first upgrade i'll be making to the engine, any recommendation on size and i'll ask you the same about a good head suggestion also.
A '96 302 has a roller cam in it so go with something like the Comp Cams 34-410-8 and RHS or Dart irons with a 170-185cc intake ports and 58cc chambers. With these heads peak power(360-375hp) is upwards of 5500-6000rpm so you can ignore the "RPM" range" on the Summit page. A cam like this will also deliver half decent low end TQ compared to an E303 for example so you won't need a high stall and 4.56 gearing.

COMP Cams 35-410-8 - COMP Cams Magnum Hydraulic Roller Camshafts - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Dart 13301181 - Dart Iron Eagle Cylinder Heads for Small Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Racing Head Service 35304-01 - RHS Pro Action Small Block Ford Cylinder Heads - Overview - SummitRacing.com
 
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 02:09 PM
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Looks like the dual quad setup can be gotten for less than the tri-power:

Edelbrock 20354 SB FORD Dual Quad Manifold Carb Kit: eBay Motors (item 190441457690 end time Sep-14-10 15:55:05 PDT)

For ultimate coolness at a similar price:

Ford V8 Webers 818 764-1901
 
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
A '96 302 has a roller cam in it so go with something like the Comp Cams 34-410-8 and RHS or Dart irons with a 170-185cc intake ports and 58cc chambers. With these heads peak power(360-375hp) is upwards of 5500-6000rpm so you can ignore the "RPM" range" on the Summit page. A cam like this will also deliver half decent low end TQ compared to an E303 for example so you won't need a high stall and 4.56 gearing.

COMP Cams 35-410-8 - COMP Cams Magnum Hydraulic Roller Camshafts - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Dart 13301181 - Dart Iron Eagle Cylinder Heads for Small Ford - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Racing Head Service 35304-01 - RHS Pro Action Small Block Ford Cylinder Heads - Overview - SummitRacing.com
The roller cam was a good score, I got lucky with this engine deal for sure. Thanks for the info and the links!

Originally Posted by xlt4wd90
Looks like the dual quad setup can be gotten for less than the tri-power:
Lots less. you can grab the Edelbrock F-28 intake for about $285 on eBay, intake only, no carbs.
 
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