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Does anyone know or has anyone heard what has been going on within Iraq's borders in reference to Iraq army building defensive positions against any invasion.
I haven't heardor seen a thing.
All the talk it seems is just of the 150,000 American troops deployed in the area.
I find this strange that there isn't any media coverage of Iraq's army and what they are doing.
I haven't heardor seen a thing.
All the talk it seems is just of the 150,000 American troops deployed in the area.
I find this strange that there isn't any media coverage of Iraq's army and what they are doing.
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Thanks, Read it before.
I was looking for something on the Real Life side of things.
Where is the Media on this Information ?
Where is all this Intelligence they are speaking off with Spy Plane Survellience.
Surely they would mention that there is some activity if there was some.
I was looking for something on the Real Life side of things.
Where is the Media on this Information ?
Where is all this Intelligence they are speaking off with Spy Plane Survellience.
Surely they would mention that there is some activity if there was some.
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Heard on the radio yestyerday that Special forces units are already in Iraq, doing reco and gathering intelligence, as well as lining up civilian assistance.
Don't underestimate the Iraqi civilians. They DESPISE Hussein, and after Gulf War 1 they kicked the pants off the Republican Guard. They actually controlled half the country for a few weeks, but America backed out of assisting them and Hussein retook the country. I just hope that part of the scenario is not repeated.
Don't underestimate the Iraqi civilians. They DESPISE Hussein, and after Gulf War 1 they kicked the pants off the Republican Guard. They actually controlled half the country for a few weeks, but America backed out of assisting them and Hussein retook the country. I just hope that part of the scenario is not repeated.
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Yea, during Desert Storm I do remember the newspapers and TV providing more account of the Iraqi army. I don't see or hear as much this time around about the so called "republican guard" or any other types of troops, their possible numbers, or their current deployment. My guess is that GW and staff prefer it that way, so the media is more on its own to come up with that kind of information, and have it be reliable.
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From what little I have seen on this subject, it sounds like the Iraqi Guard is ringing Bagdad with defenses. This is a double edge sword. It is very diffcult for an attacker to capture a city in urban combat unless they are willing to inflict and take large casulties. But is also means we know where they are and they can't get away very easily.
The outcome of this kind of battle largely depends on the mind set of the Guard and civilians and how nasty we are willing to be. If the guard and civilians are truly on Sadam's side, thing could get nasty.
I would guess we won't talk a lot about what we see and what our surveilance capabilities are until after the battle is joined and things are going well. We wouldn't want Sadam or his generals to know how much we can see. Besides after all these years, maybe we really can't see enough within Iraq to talk very much about.
I did enjoy that there was a fair amount of dis information given to the news media the last time around so that they would feed false info to the Iraqis. I would expect some more of this, the trick will be to know what is true and what isn't.
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The outcome of this kind of battle largely depends on the mind set of the Guard and civilians and how nasty we are willing to be. If the guard and civilians are truly on Sadam's side, thing could get nasty.
I would guess we won't talk a lot about what we see and what our surveilance capabilities are until after the battle is joined and things are going well. We wouldn't want Sadam or his generals to know how much we can see. Besides after all these years, maybe we really can't see enough within Iraq to talk very much about.
I did enjoy that there was a fair amount of dis information given to the news media the last time around so that they would feed false info to the Iraqis. I would expect some more of this, the trick will be to know what is true and what isn't.
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Just wait until we start dropping food into the villages and bringing in medical personnel and equipment. People will be relieved to be able to step out of the middle ages and into the modern world. If we can manage not to screw this up, I think the Iraqi people will be great at building themselves a government and an infrastructure.
I think we'll find Iraq to be well defended for an undernourished, poverty stricken, freedom deprived nation ruled by a cruel despot. But I don't think it's any of my business exactly what the military does in terms of strategy and deployment. It's not my place to judge what they choose to do, so the media can shove it for all I care. They don't need to try to leak information, so the military should lie to them. Loose Lips **** Me Off.
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I think we'll find Iraq to be well defended for an undernourished, poverty stricken, freedom deprived nation ruled by a cruel despot. But I don't think it's any of my business exactly what the military does in terms of strategy and deployment. It's not my place to judge what they choose to do, so the media can shove it for all I care. They don't need to try to leak information, so the military should lie to them. Loose Lips **** Me Off.
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The media can't find out what Iraq is doing because the Iraqis don't have a free and open society like the US. The media can sure expose all of the information it can get on this side of the water. Look what 60 minutes ran last night. Mike Walllace telling the world, and our enemies, our biological suits are vulnerable and that WMD will penetrate all of our defenses. Great. Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes just gave Iraq another reason to use their evil weapons.
I don't believe that we are as vulnerable as that piece makes us out to be. So the question then remains, how much does the enemy believe? Will it be a factor when Saddam uses these weapons?
Bottom line is, that broadcast should have been pre-empted until after the war. The blood of US soldiers may be on the hands of Don Hewitt, Mike Wallace, and all of the others that produced that information. Nothing like goading and aiding the enemy to attack our troops with exactly the weapons we are trying to destroy. Good going CBS.
I don't believe that we are as vulnerable as that piece makes us out to be. So the question then remains, how much does the enemy believe? Will it be a factor when Saddam uses these weapons?
Bottom line is, that broadcast should have been pre-empted until after the war. The blood of US soldiers may be on the hands of Don Hewitt, Mike Wallace, and all of the others that produced that information. Nothing like goading and aiding the enemy to attack our troops with exactly the weapons we are trying to destroy. Good going CBS.
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Then again Brien, maybe it was a dangled carrot because they know the Iraqi's watch american TV and this might cause them to try the chemical stuff out and show the world they actually have them . They will fail because it was only propaganda by Mike Wallace.
There can be so many twists & turns other things said that aren't true<>
Who *really knows* what is true & what isn't?
There can be so many twists & turns other things said that aren't true<>
Who *really knows* what is true & what isn't?
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You know Dennis, you are exactly right. This stuff cuts both ways. So I guess the question then becomes, did our government willingly munipulate CBS, or did CBS play into the hands of the enemy? Either way, I think the Iraqis caught the broadcast and will use the information contained within.
That said, CBS proves itself not to care one iota about our servicemen because on the surface it may seem like they are warning the infantry, but really they are giving information to the enemy. Our government thinks enough of our infantrymen not to send them into batlle unclothed for the WMD. On the other hand, our infantrymen know and understand the danger associated with these weapons.
I just have to be suspicious of CBS becsause they prove themselves to be so untrustworthy when it comes to telling the unvarnished truth. They always have an agenda, so what was it this time?
That said, CBS proves itself not to care one iota about our servicemen because on the surface it may seem like they are warning the infantry, but really they are giving information to the enemy. Our government thinks enough of our infantrymen not to send them into batlle unclothed for the WMD. On the other hand, our infantrymen know and understand the danger associated with these weapons.
I just have to be suspicious of CBS becsause they prove themselves to be so untrustworthy when it comes to telling the unvarnished truth. They always have an agenda, so what was it this time?
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Ah the power of the media......what is true and what isnt???? Just because it is on TV or radio or in the newspaper etc etc doesnt mean it is true.
I am pretty sure there is a separate department in the Govt/Military just to "manipulate and feed" the media.
Maybe the NBCW suit "leak" is intended to get the bad guys to use their stash of weapons so the good guys can say "see I told you so". Wouldnt surprise me a bit.
I never trust much I see in the media...as stated everyone has an agenda.
Not that I think there is no bad in the world.....but the media is used every day to sway public opinion.
Who is to say what is true and what isnt....I believe they call it "proganda" a very useful and cheap tool used in many,many past "wars".
My two cents and food for thought
I am pretty sure there is a separate department in the Govt/Military just to "manipulate and feed" the media.
Maybe the NBCW suit "leak" is intended to get the bad guys to use their stash of weapons so the good guys can say "see I told you so". Wouldnt surprise me a bit.
I never trust much I see in the media...as stated everyone has an agenda.
Not that I think there is no bad in the world.....but the media is used every day to sway public opinion.
Who is to say what is true and what isnt....I believe they call it "proganda" a very useful and cheap tool used in many,many past "wars".
My two cents and food for thought
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