4 speed identification please
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4 speed identification please
Ive been vacant from this forum for a couple years due to family/job/hobbies but Ive started work on my 50 Ford F1 again. Ive given away the stock flatty, transmission and rear end and have installed a Mustang II front suspension (kind of). I ended up mixing it up with CE bolt in crossmember, Full Tile lower "A" arms to allow stock oil pan for my 351W, coilovers and Flaming River steering components. I also have a 65 Galaxy 9 inch rear end with Speedway rear suspension. I also have this 3 speed with overdrive transmission that I picked up, but dont know much about it. The guy I bought it from was a Ford Guru and said hotrodders really like them. Hopefully I can make it work with the components I already have. Any comments or opinions on it? I think the part number starts with D7DR.... thanks
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Depending on what your plans are, it may or may not work for you. I don't know of any real hotrodder that finds that particular trans desirable. It is certainly not a performance part. So from that angle, you may have been sold a bill of goods.
Check out the info in this link from David Kee Toploaders, one of the most respected Ford transmission guys in the business.
Toploader Imposters
Check out the info in this link from David Kee Toploaders, one of the most respected Ford transmission guys in the business.
Toploader Imposters
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T170F is what it looks like to me. What the others here have said is correct. Not a big HP tranny which some hotrodders frown on, since they can't pound through the gears, and the restorodders like them for the higher mph ability. They bolt up to truck style 8BA hogshead bellhousings with minor modification (making an old car/truck look original still), otherwise whatever bell pattern bellhousing typical of 70's/80's Fords will work as well, which is the standard Windsor/385/FE bells, though I'd only trust it behind a 300 6 or mild 302/351W
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Depending on what your plans are, it may or may not work for you. I don't know of any real hotrodder that finds that particular trans desirable. It is certainly not a performance part. So from that angle, you may have been sold a bill of goods.
Check out the info in this link from David Kee Toploaders, one of the most respected Ford transmission guys in the business.
Toploader Imposters
Check out the info in this link from David Kee Toploaders, one of the most respected Ford transmission guys in the business.
Toploader Imposters
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Dave Kees is the Expert on the heavy duty Ford Toploaders used from 64 till the early 70's in the Ford Muscle cars. He doesn't like the T-170/1/3 ~TOD because it's not the original design.
The Ford TOD or Toploder Overdrive was used later in cars and Trucks - It is a good transmission if you don't pour hundreds of horsepower into it and expect to have a race car.
The gear spacing is a little strange but it's workable
A true rebuilt Toploader will cost between $1800 - 2800.
The Ford TOD or Toploder Overdrive was used later in cars and Trucks - It is a good transmission if you don't pour hundreds of horsepower into it and expect to have a race car.
The gear spacing is a little strange but it's workable
A true rebuilt Toploader will cost between $1800 - 2800.
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I don't disagree with anything you said here, Dick. I just wanted the OP to understand what he had, and that if someone told him he had a "hotrodder" performance part, he was misled. As you noted, it's not designed for large amounts of horsepower or torque to pass through, and wouldn't put up with serious 'gear banging' like a 'real' toploader would.
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I'm a very big pusher of these granted they won;t survive 500hp fire breathing beasts, but the last one I had (the aluminum TOD) survived behind a warm 390 and 4:11 gears it was perfect for cruising 70-75mph. I just put one behind a 351 HO and a 3:75 gears. the spacing isn't too bad. It's basically a 3speed with an OD. I don;t understan why folks spend the money for a true 4 speed only to put 3.00 or 2.75 gears to make it road happy???
that looks like an srod side shifter cast iron case. if it's from a truck it should have the bigger bearings and input shaft. And if you wanted to you could put the gear set from a non OD 4speed toploader in there. In theory...
Yes many of the hotrod community have started to figure these trannys out. using a 4.something rear and just slapping in an OD tranny.
bob
that looks like an srod side shifter cast iron case. if it's from a truck it should have the bigger bearings and input shaft. And if you wanted to you could put the gear set from a non OD 4speed toploader in there. In theory...
Yes many of the hotrod community have started to figure these trannys out. using a 4.something rear and just slapping in an OD tranny.
bob
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