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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure it means subs that are mounted in a tube, like this

Yes, that is the style I was talking about. I just wonder if they make a really small one that will fit.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
Yes, that is the style I was talking about. I just wonder if they make a really small one that will fit.

Physically small and big bass do not add up.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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Thanks for the ideas, and downsides to different ideas like tubed subs not putting out much (I wondered) and the trays having to come out. I'm going to see what Car Toys can come up with on the way home from work, which is where I need to get heading to. No easy solution is what I'm seeing.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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For the record, "solid state" means "no moving parts". Tubes are not a good idea in moving vehicles, or worse, in heavy-duty trucks. Besides, tubes aren't all they are cracked up to be, BUT - they can put out a LOT of power, but wouldn't work well in 12 volt environments. For instance, google "automotive tube amplifier" - they don't exist (anymore) that I know of. (I could go on and on about how a tube amplifier's "advantage" is really distortion and if you really care about 100% reproduction or care about music sounding just as crappy as "the good old days", but I won't )

Anyway, back to the subwoofer question.

If it were me, I'd build my own box
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 10:42 AM
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Besides, tubes aren't all they are cracked up to be, BUT - they can put out a LOT of power, but wouldn't work well in 12 volt environments. For instance, google "automotive tube amplifier" - they don't exist (anymore) that I know of. (I could go on and on about how a tube amplifier's "advantage" is really distortion and if you really care about 100% reproduction or care about music sounding just as crappy as "the good old days", but I won't )

Tubes available today actually deliver less power than transistors because high power tubes for audio amplifiers are no longer generally available.

There is no problem of availability of "automobile tube amps".

Just take a regular tube amp and isolate it reasonably from vibration and shock, and it will work fine. As for 12V, that is what transformers are for.

The clear advantage of tubes is that they clip much softer, vs a transistor clip that is harsh. 60 years after the invention of the transistor, that basic issue have not changed.

Thus, a relative modest power tube amp, eg 60 watt, can sound better than transistor amps that put out 400 watt (nearly 7X the power of the tube amp).

If you really think tubes can't hold up in auto applications, consider that almost all military equipment on combat aircraft, ships, on land prior to 1960s, including radars, radios, etc. are nearly all tubes.

In fact, tubes hung on for quite some time in many niches, including things like triggers for nuclear weapons (there is a pretty high reliability application for you) which are lobbed in artillery shells, missiles, and so on.

In nuclear triggers, tubes are still used today. They are called Krytrons.

This design, dating from the late 1940s, is still capable of pulse-power performance which even the most advanced semiconductors (even IGBTs) cannot match easily. The krytrons and sprytrons are capable of handling high current high voltage pulses, with very fast switching times, constant low time delay between application of the trigger pulse and switching on, and a low jitter of this delay.
Krytrons can switch currents up to about 3000 amperes and voltages up to about 5000 volts. The commutation time of less than 1 nanosecond can be achieved, with the delay between the application of the trigger pulse and switching achievable as low as about 30 nanoseconds. The achievable jitter may be below 5 nanoseconds. The required trigger pulse voltage is about 200-2000 volts. Higher-voltage pulse can to a degree decrease the switching delay. The switching delay is strongly independent on the environment. The commutation time can be somewhat shortened by a faster rise time of the trigger pulse. A given krytron tube, with identical trigger pulse, will show very similar performance (low jitter) between the pulses.<sup id="cite_ref-pulse_3-4" class="reference">[4]</sup> The keepalive current ranges in tens to hundreds microamperes. The pulse repetition rate can range from one per minute to tens of thousands per minute.<sup id="cite_ref-tubecol_2-2" class="reference">[3]</sup>
The switching performance is largely independent on the environment (temperature, acceleration, vibrations, etc.). The formation of the keepalive glow discharge is however more sensitive, which necessitates the use of the radioactive source to aid its ignition.



Krytron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Without getting into sensitive information, it is well known that a stockpile of tube based equipment is maintained by every major government so that they can restore minimum communications after a nuclear war.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gearloose1
The clear advantage of tubes is that they clip much softer, vs a transistor clip that is harsh. 60 years after the invention of the transistor, that basic issue have not changed.
In audio applications, you don't want ANYTHING to "clip".

As for the rest, it's very off-topic, but I will say this:

Without risking any "sensitive information" there are silicon/germanium based "hardened" circuits running around all over the world that are immune to a nuclear blast's EMP. But I digress
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
In audio applications, you don't want ANYTHING to "clip".

As for the rest, it's very off-topic, but I will say this:

Without risking any "sensitive information" there are silicon/germanium based "hardened" circuits running around all over the world that are immune to a nuclear blast's EMP. But I digress


How many db is it from 40watt to 400watt?

What is the typical dynamic range of a live session?

Be rest assured that all audio amps clip.


"Si-Ge hardened" EMP proof?

No comment.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I've searched and searched, and spent $300.00 and then some upgrading the speakers in the front and back. I have the metal trays that fold out, and would prefer to keep them. Anybody buy a tubed subwoofer that will fit behind the seats WITH the trays that sounds decent? I'm not trying to attract horny 18 year old girls or irritate trucks or cars next to me, but I'd like some bass in my truck costing under 5000 dollars.

MTX makes a powered sub (MTX amplified Thunderform) in a custom enclosure to fit behind the seat of SuperDuty pickups. Crutchfield sells it for $549.
 
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