I have a 1999 F250 7.3 PSD and Autoenginuity 8.2 (a very recent build). When I connect to the vehicle, it seems to connect just fine, but when I go to log data, the list of PIDs does not include "Turbocharger Wastegate Control" which should display the wastegate solenoid duty cycle, I believe.

I emailed AE and got a prompt response:"The PIDs listed in the tool are a response to a information request the tool makes to the car. If the PCM doesn't give us the PID back it is not populated in the list."

If that is true, it appears that my PCM is not telling AE about my wastegate solenoid. Does that mean I have a bad PCM?

Also, I asked if there is a list of PIDs that are appropriate for the 7.3 PSD, but he could not supply one. Is there anyone who has compiled such a list?

 

Check your connection settings first. Autoenginuity acts funny when you don't connect with the proper parameters. Here's some instructions I posted in another thread not too long ago:

Also remember that some PID's don't display on certain PCM codes. This is normal. I don't know of anyone who has compiled a list for all PCM families. But if a PID doesn't show, it's not due to a bad PCM. It's either the PCM just doesn't allow it to be displayed, or your communications configuration in AE is not properly set.

 

Thanks for the quick response.

I configure communications just as you describe. The communications part seems fine. I have logged data for ICP duty cycle, manifold pressure, etc. All of that has been going just fine.

This began when I pulled a P1690 DTC and decided (through research on this extremely helpful site) that I should monitor any parameters having to do with wastegate control. I understand how the wastegate actuator and solenoid work, and I'd like to get the wastegate solenoid duty cycle. I have seen it monitored using AE in other threads (the PID in the screenshots is "Turbocharger Wastegate Control" and it reports the duty cycle). That parameter is not on the pull-down list in my AE when I look at adding it to either the gauges or the graphs.

I do have some other, seemingly extraneous PIDs, though, so something "jes don't seem right". I originally got AE 8.1 about a month ago and just downloaded 8.2 off the AE site thinking maybe the release was the problem. But it didn't change things.

Any ideas?

I'll get a list of the PIDs that AE porovides me when I hook up to the truck, but it may take a while.

Thanks, again!

 

Here's the list of PIDs I copied from the drop-down box in Autoenginuity:

WOT AC Clutch Primary Circuit Monitor High
# of Continuous Trouble Codes Set
4x4 Low
A/C Clutch Command
A/C Head Pressure Switch Input
Accelerator Pedal Postion
Accelerator Pedal Postion - Volts
Air Conditioning Compressor Cycling Switch
Air Conditioning Compressor Cycling Switch (this PID is listed twice in the drop-down box)
Barometric Pressure - Volts (I expected to see this PID in degrees, too, but it is not in the list)
Brake ON/OFF Switch
Brake Pressure Applied Switch
Calculated Engine Load
Clutch Pedal Position Switch
Clutch Pedal Position Switch/Neutral Switch Circuit
Coast Clutch Solenoid Control
Cylinder 1 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 2 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 3 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 4 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 5 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 6 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 7 Change Rotational Velocity
Cylinder 8 Change Rotational Velocity
Desired Engine RPM
Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Input
Electronic Pressure Control
Electronic Pressure Control - Volts
Engine Coolant Temperature Input
Engine Misfire Malfunction Detection
Engine Enable Input
Engine Oil Temperature Input
Engine Oil Temperature Input - Volts
Engine RPM
Exhaust Back Pressure
Exhaust Back Pressure - Volts
Exhaust Back Pressure Duty Cycle
Exhaust Gas Recirculation Status
Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Duty Cycle
Fuel Injector Pulse Width
Fuel Pressure
Fuel Pulse Width #1
Fuel Pump Actual State
Fuel Pump Monitor
Fuel Pump Monitor (this PID is also listed twice in the drop-down box)
Gear Commanded By Module
Glow Plug Coil Duty Cycle
Glow Plug Coil On
Glow Plug Lamp On
Hard Acceleration Detected
High Speed Engine Cooling Fan Monitor
High Speed Fan contro;l
Idle Air Control
Idle Validation Switch
Injector Control Pressure
Injector Control Pressure - Volts
Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle
Inlet Air Temperature Status
Intake Air Temperature - Volts
Intake Air Temperature Fault
Intake Air Temperature Input
Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure
Intake Manifold Runner Control
Intake Manifold Tuning Valve
Malfunction Indicator Lamp
Manifold Absolute Pressure
Manifold Absolute Pressure - Hz
Manifold Gauge Pressure
Mass Fuel Desired
Misfire Total
Misfire On Board Diagnostic Trip Flag
Net Engine Torque
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 1
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 2
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 3
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 5
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 6
Number of Misfires - Cylinder 8 (Note 4 and 7 are not listed)
Output Shaft Speed
Overdrive Cancel Switch/Hold Switch
Parking Brake Apllied
PCM Bitmap Flags #1
Performance/Economy Switch
Power Steering Pressure Switch Input
Power Takeoff Status
Pressure Control Failure Mode
Profile Ignition Pickup
Resume Switch
Shift Indicator Light
Shift Solenoid #1
Shift Solenoid #2
Shift Solenoid #3
Spark Advance Desired
Speed Control Actuator Switch Coast
Speed Control Actuator Switch Off
Speed Control Actuator Switch On
Speed Control Actuator Switch Resume
Speed Control No Switch Input
Speed Control No Switch Input SET/ACCEL
Speed Control Input Switch
Throttle Position Mode
Throttle Position Sensor Status
Time Since Engine Start
Torque Converter Clutch Modulated
Torque Converter Clutch Contol Internal Circuit Monitor
Torque Converter Slip Actual
Transmission Control Indicator Light
Transmission Fluid Temperature - Volts
Transmission Range
Transmission Range Sensor - Volts
Turbine Speed Sensor Failure Mode
Turbine/ Input Speed Sensor
Unlock Converter for Traction Control
Vehicle Power Voltage
Vehicle Reference Voltage
Vehicle Speed
Vehicle Speed Cruise Control Setting
Vehicle Speed Sensor Signal Status
Volume Fuel Desired

It seems like something isn't right. Bill from AE said that they just populate the PID list with what is reported by the PCM. Why would a PSD PCM report engine misfires?

Also, my truck is a 6-spd manual, so the PIDs for an automatic tranny are irrelevant. I bought the truck used, though, so I can't be certain what someone may have put in there for a PCM. It is allegedly stock: no tunes, no re-programming.

So my primary question remains: Why don't I have the Turocharger Wastegate Control PID?

And why is my PCM reporting PIDs for a gas engine and an automatic transmission?

What other PIDs am I missing that are relevant to a 7.3 PSD? (Like why don't I get Barometric Pressure in PSI?)

Any ideas?

 

Perfectly normal. Mine also does that, and I've been running AE since version 4.X.

Also normal. You can ignore those. AE just likes to populate those fields.

I have weird PID readouts when I connect to most 99 MY Superduties. I don't know why, but it happens. I datalogged one 3 weeks ago, and it was missing the PID for the accelerator pedal position and voltage. The PCM was fine on the truck. This was an early 99.

AE does that.

What other PIDs am I missing that are relevant to a 7.3 PSD? (Like why don't I get Barometric Pressure in PSI?)
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Not sure. I've never even tracked baro on my truck.

 

Thanks for the reassurance. I've been browsing this forum trying to learn some stuff, but this is the first time I've actually posted something. It's great to know that there are people who are interested enough to respond.

I'm at the beginning of the learning curve, so I'll keep reading and trying stuff. I got the AE software 'cause it seems to be highly recommended on this site and it seemed to offer a chance to get some insight into the real-time functionality of the truck. I can see the potential, but I'm not as impressed with the tool as I hoped I would be. I helped to create proprietary software systems for a number of years and got spoiled by using some very high quality tools. I'm not sure AE rises to that level, but I'll keep messin' with it and maybe get to a point where I have some insights to offer to others. I'll let you know... Thanks, again.

 

Yeah keep playing with it. There's some good stuff it can do.

By the way, is your PSD an early 99?

 

The engine serial number is 0925024 with a build date of 21 FEB 99. So, while it was apparently built in early 99, the Ford 99.5 PSD Update says that serial numbers after 896812 include the 99.5 updates. I'm taking the SN off the driver's side valve cover.

Do you know of any AE forums for the 7.3 or people who have vast experience with it? It might save me a lot of blundering around...

I've tried searching FTE using Autoenginuity as the key word and found some good, problem-specific advice and there is a list of good AE stuff on the 7.3 Roadside Help Network. But I'd like to see a thread where folks talk about some of the apparently weird stuff AE does and how to deal with it. Any thoughts?

 

Curtis is pretty good with AE..but if you want a second opinion you can try here..

AutoEnginuity® Diagnostic Software - Power Hungry Performance Forum

 

Subscribing; I have AE and an Early '99 PSD

 

What is actually meant by "early '99" PSD? I'm new at this, so I'm not certain. What's the serial number of your engine?

Dan, when you hook up AE to your truck and pull down the list of PIDs available to monitor, does your list look like mine as published in an earlier post? Does it have the same PIDs?

I'm wondering why my list has so many irregularities, like duplicated PIDs and some that are missing...

It seems like I ought to be able to get the wastegate duty cycle out of the PCM since the PCM calculates and controls the duty cycle and I've seen it on screen shots of AE. Not sure what else I may be missing, but, since I have a P1690 DTC, I thought it would be handy to see just how the wastegate solenoid is being commanded by the PCM.

 

Actually have'nt hooked it to my truck yet, only my wifes Pontiac so far. But now that Viva Las Vegas Rockabilly reunion is over I will be putting the 58 Ford away for a bit and start playing with my Super Duty. '99 was a change over year I guess you can say, because there are differances between Early '99 and late '99. Say for example the Turbos are different, mine ( I don't know about all ) did'nt come with a Cataletic Converter which is huge deal for me because of Clark Count, NV smog laws. I want to start learning what can be modded using AE, i.e. can it be used to increase boost, open waste gate, etc. thats why I subscribed to your thread. As far as my engines serial number I don't know yet I imagine I'll find out when I hook AE to my rig. Oh Yeah, BTW, Welcome to FTE your gonna love this site.