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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 11:29 PM
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4r100 issues

Hi to all. Im new to this site, but I have read a lot of stuff here and learned some. I have a 2004 f-250 super duty with a v10 and a 4r100. This truck only has 68,000 miles on it and has preformed well. We use it to tow sometimes, but its mostly just drove. I change the oil regulary and had the tranny flushed around 10k miles ago. Everything has been working fine on it. Today when I got off from work it said to check gauges and the o/d off light was flashing. It seamed to shift a little harder than normal, but not by much. I pulled off the road and cut it off and started it again, but it still had the check gauges light on as well as flashing o/d off light. It did go in and out of overdrive while it was doing this. After 5 mins it went back to normal. I don't know what in the world would have caused this. Everything else on the truck is fine, no other lights, no weird noises, no messed up gauges, nothing. Please help.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 11:41 PM
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I searched back in the forums and there was another guy had the same problem and the code was internal transmision slippage. I sure hope this isn,t my problem or else i will be very disaponted. The truck has only 68k miles on it. Also my speedometer is not bouncing around at all, its fine.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 12:10 AM
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your going to need a code scanner, but if the light was flashing there is def. a code stored.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Ok I checked it out this morning with my tuner, hypertec max energy econ, and it came up with p1000 and p0713. I don't know what those are. I drove it some this morning and it did fine, no lights or problems. Im so confused
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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P1000- OBD System Readiness Test Not Complete. (My 2003 Always has this as well. Think it has something to do with only being OBD1)

P0713- Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input. (Maybe a bad transmission temp sensor?)

Tim
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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I was thinking it could be something with the temp. Last night it was cold, around 20, and as soon as the lights went off my tranny temp gauge started to come up to normal temp. Thanks for those codes.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:45 AM
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I just installed a Hypertec max energy in my 2004 f-350 v-10 A p1000 code pop up and I called Hypertec and they said it was nothing. Its from the tunner.They said just delete it.But overall how do you like your programer?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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I overheated a transmission once by having my Throttle Position Sensor unhooked. Blew fluid everywhere past the pump seal. It overheated because the torque converter was UN-locked the whole time... Slippage / heat. Hopefully its just a sensor and not a torque converter staying unlocked situation?
What did your tranny temp gauge say?
I'll see if I can find out how many temp sensors it has ?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 12:43 PM
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Alright- A Lot to this. Hope it helps and is readable !

<table style="height: 129px; width: 524px;" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" align="middle">P0713 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">TFT Sensor </td> <td valign="top" align="left">-40°C (-40°F) indicated, TFT sensor circuit open. </td> <td valign="top" align="left">Voltage drop across TFT sensor exceeds scale set for temperature -40°C (-40°F). </td> <td valign="top" align="left">TCC and stabilized shift schedule may be enabled sooner after cold start. May flash TCIL. </td> <td valign="top" align="left">Go To Pinpoint Test B .



PINPOINT TEST B: TRANSMISSION FLUID TEMPERATURE (TFT) SENSOR

NOTE: Refer to the Transmission Vehicle Harness Connector illustration preceding these pinpoint tests.
NOTE: This vehicle is equipped with a transmission fluid temperature gauge in the dash. The transmission fluid temperature gauge may be used as a quick reference to the operating temperature. It should not be used as a diagnostic tool to tell the temperature of the transmission. The WDS, NGS or transmission tester should be used to obtain the actual temperature of the transmission.
<table width="96%" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <th>Test Step </th> <th>Result / Action to Take </th></tr> <tr> <td> B1 ELECTRONIC DIAGNOSTICS </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Check to make sure the transmission harness connector is fully seated, terminals are fully engaged in the connector and in good condition before proceeding.
  • Connect the diagnostic tool.
  • Key in ON position.
  • Select Diagnostic Data Link.
  • Select PCM.
  • Select PID/Data Monitor and Record.
  • Enter the following diagnostic mode on the diagnostic tool: PIDs; TFT, TFTV.
  • Does the vehicle enter PID/Data Monitor and Record?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
REMAIN in PID/Data Control. GO to B2 .

No
REPEAT procedure to enter PID. If vehicle did not enter PID, REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for diagnosis of PCM. </td></tr> <tr> <td> B2 WARM-UP/COOL-DOWN CYCLE </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • While monitoring the TFT PIDs, carry out the following test: If transmission is cold, run transmission to warm it up. If transmission is warm, allow transmission to cool down.
  • Do the TFT PIDs increase as the transmission is warmed up or decrease as the transmission is cooled or does the TFT or TFTV drop in and out of range?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
If the TFT PIDs increase as the transmission is warmed or decrease as the transmission is cooled, CLEAR all DTCs. ROAD TEST to verify if concern is still present. If concern is still present, REFER to Diagnosis By Symptom in this section to diagnose transmission overheating.

If the TFT or TFTV drop in and out of range, INSPECT for intermittent concern in the internal/external harness, sensor or connector.

No
GO to B3 . </td></tr> <tr> <td> B3 CHECK THE ELECTRICAL SIGNAL OPERATION </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Key in OFF position.
  • Disconnect: Transmission Connector.
  • CAUTION: Remove the heat shield, if so equipped, from transmission before removing the connector. Remove the solenoid body connector by pushing on the center tab and pulling on the harness connector. Do not attempt to pry the tab with a screwdriver. Always reinstall the heat shield when the procedure is completed.
  • Use a mirror to inspect both ends of the connector for damage or pushed-out pins, corrosion, loose wires and missing or damaged seals.
  • Measure the voltage between TFT signal circuit pin 7 and the SIG RTN circuit pin 8 at the transmission harness connector.
  • Place the VOM on the 20-volt scale.
  • Key in ON position.
  • Is the voltage between 4.75 and 5.25 volts?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
GO to B7 .

No
GO to B4 . </td></tr> <tr> <td> B4 CHECK THE CONTINUITY OF THE TFT SIGNAL AND SIG RTN CIRCUITS </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Key in OFF position.
  • Disconnect: Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
  • Inspect for damaged or pushed-out pins, corrosion or loose wires.
  • Install the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box.
  • Measure the resistance between the PCM signal test pin 37 at the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box and the signal pin 7 at the transmission harness connector.
  • Measure the resistance between the PCM SIG RTN test pin 91 at the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box and the SIG RTN pin 8 at the transmission harness connector.
  • Is each resistance less than 5 ohms?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
GO to B5 .

No
REPAIR the open circuits. REMOVE the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box. RECONNECT all of the components. REPEAT the Quick Tests. </td></tr> <tr> <td> B5 CHECK THE TFT SIGNAL CIRCUIT FOR SHORT TO VPWR AND GROUND </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Measure the resistance between the PCM signal test pin 37 and VPWR test pins 71 and 97 at the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box.
  • Measure the resistance between the PCM signal test pin 37 and test pins 51, 76, 77, 103, 91 at the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box and chassis ground.
  • Is each resistance greater than 10,000 ohms?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
GO to B6 .

No
REPAIR the short circuit(s). REMOVE the EEC-V Control System Breakout Box. RECONNECT all of the components. REPEAT the Quick Tests. </td></tr> <tr> <td> B6 CHECK THE RESISTANCE OF THE TFT SENSOR </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Install the Transmission Tester to the transmission connector.
  • Set the bench/drive switch to the BENCH mode.
  • Rotate the gear select switch to the OHMS CHECK position.
  • NOTE: While carrying out Tests 1 and 2 below, observe resistance. DTC P0713 is set if the resistance value exceeds 1,062 ohms (open circuit). DTC P0712 is set if the resistance value falls below 597 ohms (short circuit).
  • Measure the resistance between the TFT- jack and the TFT+ jack on the tester.
  • TEST 1
  • Record the resistance. Resistance should be approximately in the following ranges:

    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <caption>Transmission Fluid Temperature </caption> <tbody> <tr> <th valign="bottom" align="middle">°C </th> <th valign="bottom" align="middle">°F </th> <th valign="bottom" align="middle">Resistance (Ohms) </th></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">-40 to -20 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">-40 to -4 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">1,062 k-284 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">-19 to -1 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">-3-31 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">284 k-100 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">0-20 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">32-68 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">100 k-37 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">21-40 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">69-104 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">37 k-16 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">41-70 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">105-158 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">16 k-5 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">71-90 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">159-194 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">5 k-2.7 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">91-110 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">195-230 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">2.7 k-1.5 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">111-130 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">231-266 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">1.5 k-0.8 k </td></tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="middle">131-150 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">267-302 </td> <td valign="top" align="middle">0.8 k-0.54 k </td></tr></tbody></table>
  • TEST 2
  • Check for an intermittent short or open.
  • If the resistance was between 0.8 k and 100 k ohms, carry out the following test. If the transmission is cold, start and run the engine until transmission reaches its normal operating temperature. If the transmission is warm, allow the transmission to cool. Check the TFT sensor resistance again. Compare the resistance with the initial resistance. The resistance should decrease if the transmission was warmed and should increase if the transmission was allowed to cool. If the correct change in resistance occurs, repeat the Quick Test.
  • Is the resistance in the specified range?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
GO to B7 .

No
INSTALL a new solenoid assembly. RECORD and ERASE the codes. REPEAT the Quick Tests. </td></tr> <tr> <td> B7 CHECK THE TFT SENSOR FOR SHORT TO GROUND </td> <td style="border-bottom: medium none;">
</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
  • Check for continuity between the BAT(-) jack (engine ground) and the appropriate jack (-TFT or +TFT) with a digital ohmmeter or other low current tester (less than 200 milliamps). Connection should show infinite resistance (no continuity).
  • Does the connection show continuity?
</td> <td style="border-top: medium none;">Yes
INSTALL a new solenoid assembly. REPEAT the Quick Tests.

No
INSTALL a new PCM. REPEAT the Quick Tests. If the DTC is still present and overtemp condition exists, CHECK the fluid condition. CHECK the overheat condition. REFER to Diagnosis By Symptom in this section. REPAIR as required. REPEAT the Quick Tests</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:29 PM
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Ok guys thanks so much, you all have helped out a ton. I did drive the truck today and looked over everything its its fine. I went by autozone and the guy didn't know anything about the p1000 code. He said he had never heard of that one before, but that it looked like it was unimportant. Im not worried any about that code. He did confirm the temp code. I explained the situation and told him I cleared the codes and that everything was doing ok. He suggested that I run the truck until it acts up again since its doing fine. He said its most likely the temp sensor or the wiring. He couldn't order either, said I would have to get it through ford. He seamed to thing replacing the sensor would be an easy thing. Anyways to make a long story short the truck is doing fine and im going to run it untill it does this again and then fix it. Oh and yeah I like my tuner, but in hindsight I probably wouldn't pay 350$ for it.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:44 AM
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Is it the econ or the max energy??
 
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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It says Hypertec max energy e con
 
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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How long have you been running the tuner? I would take the truck to a shop that has a good scanner so you know you will be getting all the codes. Autozone and tuners are not good scanners. Go to a dealer or a trans shop and have them scan for codes.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 10:47 PM
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This is why a got a ScanGauge II. Aux. actual numbers for the trans. fluid temp. are invaluable.
 
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