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Jan 12, 2010 | 07:08 PM

#46

REDFORDFX4

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

Thats a joke right? Lets take your Raptor and my prerunner into the desert or on the dunes and see who gets further.

If I could afford to buy one sure, But there is no desert or dunes up here in the north woods!!If they were not built to do it Ford would get sued for false advertisement don't you think, That is where they tested them.

Jan 12, 2010 | 08:31 PM

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Not at all, front suspension is 6K, rear suspension is approx the same and fiberglass, wheels and tires will run you another 6K. So 18K plus the truck is very doable

A brand new 4x4 is at least 30k these days but more like 35k. Add another 18k and your already 10k+ over the price of the 6.2 Raptor. Does the 6k for the rear include a longer rear axle?

When was the last time an aftermarket company spent 3 years testing before bringing their suspension/pieces to market? Is there an aftermarket brake tune for the abs yet? Aftermarket hill climb descent modes?

Three years breaking every other stock truck first then engineering around where other faulter, with hundreds of thousands of miles of raw high speed off road testing including 2ft table tops within the off road test loops. I have yet to hear of an aftermarket company testing product like this!
Jamal Hameedi Chief engineer at SVT is a off road desert racer! I would think they know what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by powerstroke72

The same problem exists for all manufacturers.... Dodge has to worry about guys driving through obstacle courses where the truck will be hit with swinging logs and fire.

Its a funny thing you mention that. At the Ford Raptor reveal an executive at Dodge only rolled his eyes at the new raptor. Why? He finally admitted the truck loads of new parts they needed to bring in just to finish filming the obstacle course commercials for the new ram.

Jan 12, 2010 | 09:06 PM

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We dont use ABS on the prerunners. Doesnt work with 37" tires. Its actually more dangerous to leave it connected.

Jan 12, 2010 | 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

We dont use ABS on the prerunners. Doesnt work with 37" tires. Its actually more dangerous to leave it connected.

Thats why ford put a special tune into them for the raptor. Yes Ford went the extra mile on this truck, it would have been easier to turn abs off.

Edit: I was referring to how the tires just pulls the top layer of dirt along and slides when a truck tries to stop in the dirt with abs. The raptor bites and bites hard(for the dirt) with their new abs tune. Its very impressive.
Good thing the raptor only comes stock with 35's.

Jan 12, 2010 | 10:14 PM

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It wouldnt matter if the ABS worked because there is too much rotating mass on a 37" tire for ABS to work properly

Jan 12, 2010 | 10:36 PM

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rollerstud98

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math to back that claim up?

Jan 12, 2010 | 10:57 PM

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Dont need math, its experience

Jan 13, 2010 | 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

It wouldnt matter if the ABS worked because there is too much rotating mass on a 37" tire for ABS to work properly

If this is the case, why is it and has it been integrated into Class 8 trucks? OTR truck tires have a lot more rotating mass than a Raptor or a pre-runner with 37" tires.

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Jan 13, 2010 | 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

Ive been in the lifted truck industry for almost 10 years and have seen every side of abuse cases and every story along with it. If you want to drive that way then you can easily build a prerunner capable of it for around the same cost as a Raptor. That is all

So really your just unhappy that fords taking away business from you???

And do me a favor....if your in the industry give me a price quote here....

I've got a stock supercab xlt - I paid 36,000 for it with leather and whatnot....

Now make it the raptor equal....

Including

Locker
gears
lift
springs and shocks
body work
widened axle
tires
wheels
grille
upfitter switches
hood
skid plates
and the labor to do it all.....

Jan 13, 2010 | 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

It wouldnt matter if the ABS worked because there is too much rotating mass on a 37" tire for ABS to work properly

On a stock system yes......it won't work...but here's a difference on why you buy it PROPERLY engineered rather than taking your truck to some guy who just disconnects it......ford actually makes it work....

And if they can build an abs system to work on a semi.....they can make a little 35 inch all terrain work too... EDIT....damn....someone else beat me to pointing that out....

Jan 13, 2010 | 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan50hrl

And if they can build an abs system to work on a semi.....they can make a little 35 inch all terrain work too... EDIT....damn....someone else beat me to pointing that out....

Sorry man!

Jan 13, 2010 | 01:11 PM

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hahahhah that was a good read.. I know when ford put the OFF ROAD 4x4 stickers on the beds of the 150s they ended up eating alot of front ends IE balljoints tires and alignments. I worked for ford 99-02 just doing front ends and alignments. The service manager would ask me to see if there was mud in the skid plate if so he wouldnt cover the warrentee........... Until a very wealthy friend of the owner came into the shop. walked to my rack, pointed to the sticker and said "If the sticker wasnt there to tell me I could go off road, then ford shouldnt have put it there". I laughed my arrs off and we stopped nit picking per the owner. I am sure ford will stand behind minor wear outs. BUt of course not horrific acts of stupidity. I have seen many.

Jan 13, 2010 | 07:02 PM

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I don't agree that the Raptor is going to be a disaster based on the marketing. Seems to me that its built well enough to withstand what the average person will do with it.

Jan 13, 2010 | 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan50hrl

You forgot the tuning(specifically low sensitive airbag as to not go off when your running hard offroad, and abs) and the hill climb descent modes like land rover has!

Jan 13, 2010 | 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by richtor

You forgot the tuning(specifically low sensitive airbag as to not go off when your running hard offroad, and abs) and the hill climb descent modes like land rover has!

Ahh...yes...i forgot that part....and like it or hate it....lets not forget the custom upholstery

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