6.4 Idling Nightmare
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6.4 Idling Nightmare
Well I knew it was only a matter of time and yesterday I got an interesting call from a buddy that I thought I would pass on. Him and his brothers own a construction company and last year they added a 2008 6.4 King Ranch crew cab to their fleet. Apparently the truck spends a lot of time idling and I'm not sure whether they did the high idle mod or not? Either way the truck shut down last week and would not start so they took it in to the local Ford dealer. Dealer found the ENTIRE exhaust system plugged with soot and told him the truck would need a new exhaust from the downpipe back at a cost of $7k!!! And the kicker is that they had warranty to 170,000km and the truck just turned 178,000km. I guess it was said from day 1 that these trucks were not meant for extended idling and here is 1 horror story to prove it. Needless to say it took me 2 seconds to talk him into a Spartan tuner and Flo Pro exhaust with a total cost of around $2500. I'm going to try and make sure they use the high idle mod from now on and they should be able to get alot more use out of the truck yet.
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exactly! Tell people all the time, unless it is a stationary generator or something then that motor must work.
I can't beleive that it would be 7K to repair that but I guess since it is in Canada maybe so. Wonder what it would cost here?
I can't beleive that it would be 7K to repair that but I guess since it is in Canada maybe so. Wonder what it would cost here?
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I'm not sure what it would cost there but $7k sounds completely ridiculous to me, even for Canada. I mean I realize that the DPF's are supposed to be around $2500-$3000 but what else on the exhaust can make up the rest of that inflated cost?? Especially when I know I can buy an entire aftermarket exhaust here for $650. Could be the dealer trying to squeeze every penny out of a fleet vehicle as well.
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That is unfortunate and expensive. Your post should be valuable to anyone here in the future that does a search for "idle" when they have problems similar to what you describe.
I am going to check the US EPA site as I think now that we are in 2010 low sulfur diesel is now no longer being manufactured. Only ULSD now, which is a relief. There are still a few fuel stations scattered about that don't sell ULSD down here and I do think it's possible that it could be a factor in your friends' truck.
I am going to check the US EPA site as I think now that we are in 2010 low sulfur diesel is now no longer being manufactured. Only ULSD now, which is a relief. There are still a few fuel stations scattered about that don't sell ULSD down here and I do think it's possible that it could be a factor in your friends' truck.
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When I traveled up north this summer I found lots of station that did not have ULSD. Had quite the time till I learned to program all the truck stops in my GPS.
I do hope it changes.
I do hope it changes.
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If LSD was the primary contributing factor to the exhaust failure it would be nice to know if he had other warnings prior to the entire DPF becoming clogged. Such as frequent or long lasting REGEN cycles, EGR Valve failures, etc.
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How far North? I never see stickers on pumps where I live but I can guarantee they do not still have the LSD here, they get the tanks filled up several times a week where I fuel up but no markings
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ULSD if hard to find on the Eastern Shore of MD and Mid Atlantic seaboard in the area of Chincoteauge . Most stations still had LSD as of two weeks ago.
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ULSD is mandatory in Canada. Lots of pumps still have the LSD stickers on them, but it has to be ULSD by law.
"Under Sulphur in Diesel Fuel Regulations (SOR/2002-254), the sulphur content of diesel fuel produced or imported was reduced to 15 ppm after 31 May 2006" (Canada)
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I don't understand how that is even possible, 3 years and they haven't been being supplied with LSD anymore and the tanks are still to dirty?
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All I know is at least three stations I stopped at two weeks ago had LSD stickers on the pumps. I didn't want to take a chance so I kept stopping till I found pumps with ULSD decals on the pumps.
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In the US refiners may still produce LSD till June 2010, distributors may distribute till October 2010 and retailer's may still sell LSD until December 2010 in all states except California. California like all of Canada legislated zero transition time in the 2006 rollout of ULSD. All other states allowed a 4 year transition period. Owners of DPF equipped vehicle still need to be alert and looking for the ULSD sticker's.
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From: Frederick, MD
I don't beleive there would be any ill effects, Eng would only go into high idle if you have done the mod or as part of the cold weather strategy.