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Old May 25, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockledge
Prior to the clash-for-clunkers fiasco, scrap yards were loaded with wrecked Explorers and Rangers, most with perfectly-good engines. It was pretty easy to find a used 4.0L OHV that you could swap in. Nowadays....I don't know.

My gut feeling is the heads probably got too hot and warped and/or cracked. A failed head gasket could also be evident. That's why I would be thinking about a possible swap.

Im with Rock on this one i would say you either warped or cracked the head . Are you loosing water but dont see it leaking on the ground ? look for steam out the tail pipe .

My head was craked on the intake valve side & was only on one cylinder & never showed combustion gases in the coolant , but it did have a mis everynow & then . when it finally threw a code i found my problem by checking the plugs . i pulled the one with the misfire & found antifreeze i knew then what the problem was . I just replaced the head with a new one & new gasket & sofar so good after i figured out what was causing the thumping after replacing the head .
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 01:30 AM
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Put it all back together with the Ford thermostat with no improvement.

Originally Posted by DrewBateman
Im with Rock on this one i would say you either warped or cracked the head . Are you loosing water but dont see it leaking on the ground ? look for steam out the tail pipe.
I'm not losing any coolant and there's no steam out the tailpipe that I can see. I just don't see the typical symptoms of a bad head gasket like oil in the coolant and coolant loss/steam out the tailpipe. I'm going to replace the radiator cap because it is possible it's just not building up enough pressure and allowing the coolant to boil in the head. It's also cheap and easy to try. I don't know why I didn't try it sooner. I'll report the results tomorrow.
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by abikerider
Put it all back together with the Ford thermostat with no improvement.



I'm not losing any coolant and there's no steam out the tailpipe that I can see. I just don't see the typical symptoms of a bad head gasket like oil in the coolant and coolant loss/steam out the tailpipe. I'm going to replace the radiator cap because it is possible it's just not building up enough pressure and allowing the coolant to boil in the head. It's also cheap and easy to try. I don't know why I didn't try it sooner. I'll report the results tomorrow.
If youre not loosing coolant then , i would make sure you dont have any air in the cooling system as this will cause the thumping too . I just read back you had a belt to break& you replaced the water pump & pulleys. Also make sure your bottom radiator hose isnt collapsing .

Youve had no misfires & engine runs great it just thumps ?
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DrewBateman
If youre not loosing coolant then , i would make sure you dont have any air in the cooling system as this will cause the thumping too . I just read back you had a belt to break& you replaced the water pump & pulleys. Also make sure your bottom radiator hose isnt collapsing .

Youve had no misfires & engine runs great it just thumps ?
I just replaced the radiator cap and did some errands and the temperature is MUCH more stable. There's no more thumping. The needle only moves 1/8" compared to about 1/2" before. It seems to move even less when the heater is on even when the interior fan isn't blowing. Probably because of better coolant flow through the head. It might even get more stable as any small air bubbles work themselves out of the system. If not I could always try the Motorcraft waterpump which may produce a stronger coolant flow.

Also, the engine never ran worse after the belt breakage so I don't think there was any serious damage due to that. I have checked all the hoses while it was happening and none were collapsing. I'm pretty happy with how it's running now so I'm going to say "problem solved".
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 03:07 PM
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You might be wise to use a thermometer and get a reading on the actual temperature of your coolant. Sounds like you may need a higher temp thermostat. (195 degrees)
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdox
You might be wise to use a thermometer and get a reading on the actual temperature of your coolant. Sounds like you may need a higher temp thermostat. (195 degrees)
The thermostat in there now is a brand new Ford 195 degree thermostat.
 
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Old May 26, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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OK, sounds great!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 01:08 PM
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Hi. I've been having very similar issues with my 99 ranger 4.0L. After the engine gets to op temp the dash/coolant system thumps. This only occurs when the HVAC controls are on. I've replaced my radiator, hoses, T stat; however, the thump still remains.

My power steering pump is new (I tried the Lucas PS stop leak, but it is so cold it gelatinizes). I have noticed my AC compressor clicks and whines.

I went to ford and they weren't any help, merely told me the bypass kit was unobtainable and that I should learn to live with the problem.

So I am stuck and scratching my head, anyone have any sugguestions? Thanks!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jmkoeppel
Hi. I've been having very similar issues with my 99 ranger 4.0L. After the engine gets to op temp the dash/coolant system thumps. This only occurs when the HVAC controls are on. I've replaced my radiator, hoses, T stat; however, the thump still remains.

My power steering pump is new (I tried the Lucas PS stop leak, but it is so cold it gelatinizes). I have noticed my AC compressor clicks and whines.

I went to ford and they weren't any help, merely told me the bypass kit was unobtainable and that I should learn to live with the problem.

So I am stuck and scratching my head, anyone have any sugguestions? Thanks!
There is a flush kit that you can get from most auto parts stores. It has a T fitting which has a cap. Install it at the highest point in your heater hose with the cap pointing upward. Bleed the air out through the cap with the heat turned on. You may have to do it several times. Don't burn yourself.

BTW, whoever told you to "live with" the problem needs to have his butt kicked. Does he have a boss?

AC compressor clicking is the clutch engaging and disengaging. A little whining is normal, but if it is loud it may need to be serviced.


 
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Old Mar 12, 2016 | 03:52 AM
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Finally Fixed for good

OK, after dealing with this off and on for years I noticed that it doesn't happen when on max air conditioning or if the heater selector is off. Both these settings cause the vacuum-operated heater bypass valve to bypass the heater core. It seems that there is not enough flow through the heater core and this is causing a hot spot in the engine and creating steam pockets.

My solution was to create a permanent bypass on the heater core using reducer tees on the heater hoses with some 3/8" hose used for the bypass. After I installed it the symptoms went away and stayed away and I still get plenty of heat from my heater. I hope this helps if anyone comes back to this thread.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2019 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by abikerider
OK, after dealing with this off and on for years I noticed that it doesn't happen when on max air conditioning or if the heater selector is off. Both these settings cause the vacuum-operated heater bypass valve to bypass the heater core. It seems that there is not enough flow through the heater core and this is causing a hot spot in the engine and creating steam pockets.

My solution was to create a permanent bypass on the heater core using reducer tees on the heater hoses with some 3/8" hose used for the bypass. After I installed it the symptoms went away and stayed away and I still get plenty of heat from my heater. I hope this helps if anyone comes back to this thread.
I am currently having the exact same issues as you were having. My symptoms occur only with the heater valve open (HVAC controls set to anything but OFF or MAX A/C). Temp is perfectly steady at about 199-201 until the valve is opened (coolant now flows through the heater core) and the the temp cycles from 180-220 over and over again. I have replaced the thermostat, heater valve, and heater core all with motorcraft parts and purged all the air out of the system. I attempted to install a bypass as described above, but there was no change. Where exactly did you tap into the heater hoses?
 
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Old Jun 30, 2022 | 07:46 PM
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If the hose is collapsing the most common cause is the rad cap - the vauum release valve on the cap is stuck closed
 
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Old Jun 30, 2022 | 07:54 PM
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wasn't updated because the new pump was a production change for 1997/98. All '98 4.0 engines got the "new" pump
 
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