Today I went to Autozone, Kragen, and Napa looking for a rebuild kit for my 1965 f-100 240ci one barrel manual choke carb. None of the stores had a kit, and only Napa said they would special order the kit but needed a part number because their catalog only went back to 1969???? The guy looked like he was 10 year old and when I asked him "to look in the books behind him" he said "they have all that information in the computer. I have dealt with NAPA before and although expensive, they usually have parts that I need.

NumbersDummy, would you please reply with the numbers I need for this carb (autolite and holly) so I can return to NAPA and if junior is still there on his computer, maybe he'll let me look at the STACK of books on the shelf behind his head and I can find the kit numbers myself.

 

damn man i just went thru that last week. sad thing was i worked at this napa! i brought my whole carb in and i made them look for the kit but using the part number stamped on the carb. and go figure they had to 2 kits in stock.

 

does the carb have a metal tag attached to it ??? if so, post the codes on it. If theres no tag, look on the mounting flange as there should be codes stamped in there as well in small letters/numbers.

There were variations on the carbs and the codes will narrow down the kit choices...

- cs65

 

I too have recently been through this and posted some details about my experience with the NAPA kit in a reply to your earlier post.

I just checked the box on my shelf in the garage. NAPA Echlin 2-5579. This is a general kit that includes two diaphrams (one for the accelerator pump and the other has to do with automatic trannies) and the gaskets for both the 1101A carb in its various permutations as well as the smaller 1100 carb (used on period Ford 170 and 200 CID engines).

In my earlier response I mentioned that neither of the needles included in the kit fit my carb. If anyone has a source for proper viton tipped carburetor needles in various sizes I'd love to get a couple. I tried ordering the needle for the carb separately from NAPA and when it came in it was the same as one of the two in the kit and useless to me.

If you don't have the Autolite 1101 on your truck please disregard the above but know that your carb and your distributor are more closely tied together than that small vacuum line might make you think. There are plenty of posts here about their interdependency. A replacement for your Autolite might be hard to come by. I got one for my shelf from RockAuto a few months back during my second attempt to rebuild my original one. Their on-line system is sometimes difficult to find stuff on. I could not find it under my model, F100, but it was listed under 1965 F250 w/240, manual choke, manual tranny. I haven't pulled it from the shrink wrap, but it is really sharp looking. I think it was $95 plus a $30 core charge if I wanted to send my original back for $30, but I'm still using it .

 

C8OZ9A586D .. 1V Auto-Lite/Motorcraft Carburetor Kit (Motorcraft CT207A) / Obsolete

DICKERSON MOTOR CO. in York SC has ONE = 803-684-4225.

LANTERMAN MOTORS in Pratt KS has ONE = 800-794-3089.

SHETLER-CORLEY in Crowley LA has ONE = 337-783-4600.

DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale AZ has TWO = 623-842-8762.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has FIVE = 800-546-7278.

Fits 1965/69: 240 & 300 I-6's as installed in F100/350's, Econolines / 240 I-6's installed in LTD/Galaxies.

Fits: 1963/69 170 & 200 I-6's installed in Passenger Cars, Bronco's & Econolines.

Fits: 1963/64 223/262 I-6's installed in F100/350's / 223 I-6's installed in 1963/64 Galaxies.

C8OZ9A586D replaced: C5AZ9A586A & B & C3AZ9A586E & F.

C5AZ9A586B =

FREESE MOTORS in Monticello IA has ONE = 319-465-3541.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has FIVE = 800-543-4959.

Most autoparts stores can cross reference Motorcraft part numbers (in this case: CT207A) over to the brands they sell.

NOTE to "Squire" Don: Numbers stamped on Auto-Lite/Motorcraft carb flanges cannot be cross referenced to carb part numbers, or to any of the parts.

SlickWiSlick: What needles are you refering to? The needle & seat, or the idle adjustment needle?

 

You guys are the GREATEST! Seriously, NumberDummy, you are a treasure. Thank you all. I will head over to Sanderson Ford in Glendale AZ and buy BOTH carb kits asap. I think that I better start building up my own stock room on this f-100.

 

Follow-up question. Hey SlickWiSlick - thanks for the RockAuto lead - I did check out the catalog and saw that the carb is only listed for the f250 w/240ci. You say you bought the carb but it sits in its shrink-warp. This leads to my next question:

The carb the RockAuto catalog shows looks like the one on my f100, but I am curious, would the carb for the f250 have the same jets, etc, as the one for the f100? I know, I know, you say they are the same engine, but my question is related to the expected work duty - the f250 is assumed to be for heavier applications and so the mixture my have to be a little different than a f100 1/2 2wd manual. Anyone know that answer to this question? The carb at RockAuto is cheaper by over 1/2 than anywhere else I have looked, but if I decide to buy rather than rebuild, a cheap carb is usless if it is the wrong carb. Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

Without doubt other, more knowledgable, folks will chime in here, but the 240 I6 is the same in every truck it was installed in with few differences (Light duty vs. medium duty, cast vs forged crank shaft). Nothing in the shop manual indicates the truck model (F100 vs F250) that would distinguish one carb from the other.

As for the carb, the important aspects are really manual vs. auto transmission, the all important pairing with the proper type of distributor, and the manual choke. I'm pretty sure Ford only offered manual choke on trucks with the I6 in 1965.

There are distinctions in the carb. The jet used was varied by the altitude that the truck would normally be used, above or below 5000 ft. Similarly the roller pin setting (Lo or Hi) on the accerator pump lever (external) is set for the altitude and temperature (Lo for above 50 deg. or 5000 ft.) [which reminds me its time to change mine for winter]. You can call RockAuto and ask, but I doubt they'll be able to tell you which jet was installed in the rebuilt carbs they offer. I'd be reluctant to open it up to find out. It will definately impact the performance of your truck, but hopefully not that much. Few of us regularly operate our vehicles above 5000 ft. That altitude is hard to find east of the Mississppi.

The carb that came on my truck (the one I rebuilt and is still in service) has a plug where the bowl vent valve lever might otherwise be. The one from RockAuto has the lever actuated valve, so they are not exactly the same. My suspicion is that a previous rebuilder deleted the valve. It works without it, so I'm unconcerned.

The issue with RockAuto is most likely related to their inventory system not being able to cross reference to the way they have organized their application data. Or perhaps just the way they've entered the data. In other words, they aren't able to show 5 available for F250 and five available for F100 when they have 5 available in total. Because when the sell one it has to drop the available count to 4 for both applications. This is speculation, of course, but it is coming from my professional field of expertise. I'm far from an expert on carburetors.

 

Typed verbatum from the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog / Carburetor Application Charts / Section 95 / Page 18:

C5TZ9510G .. 1V Auto-Lite/Motorcraft Carburetor / Use with Standard Transmission / Obsolete

Fits: 1965 F100/350 240 I-6 // 1966 F100 2WD 240 I-6 w/o T/E * / 1966 F250/350 240 I-6 // 1967 F100/250 2WD & F350 240 I-6 / 1965/67 P350/500 240 I-6.

KOEHN MOTORS in Wellington KS has ONE = 620-326-5915 / No other Ford Dealer, no obsolete parts vendor has any.
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C5TZ9510H .. 1V Auto-Lite/Motorcraft Carburetor / Use with automatic transmission / Obsolete

Fits: 1965 F100/350 240 I-6 // 1966/67 F100/350 240 I-6 w/o T/E / 1965/67 P350/500.

No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
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The original carburetor kit for both these carbs was C5AZ9A586A which was replaced by C5AZ9A586B, which was replaced in 1968 by C8OZ9A586D (Motorcraft CT207A).

* T/E = Thermactor Emission = Smog Pump.

btw: ALL 1961/66 F100/350's have a manual choke, the engine makes no difference.

The 1964/72 & 1973/79 Truck and the 1965/72 Car Parts Catalogs lists only one 240 I-6 crankshaft: D2AZ6303B .. Crankshaft-Marked ILA.

Fits: 1965/74 240 I-6 installed in Trucks, Econolines & 1965/72 LTD/Galaxie 240 I-6's.

 

ND,

Thanks for the correction on the crankshaft. I was certain I had read a discussion on the subject here (might have been on FordSix.com). I, like so many others here, truly value the wealth of straight info you endlessly share with us. Hats off to you.

 

Did you notice the above I typed in post #5? I edit a lot, so you might have missed it.

 

ND,

I did miss that. I was speaking of the needle and seat. The seat is refered to in the manual as "integral" and is not to be removed. The viton tipped needle has a rubber-like point. The needles that came in the NAPA Echlin kit do not. They are all brass.

The needle that I reused did not show any visible signs of wear like a ring in the tip from contact with the seat. The rubbery tip was still resillient, not hard and not too soft. So I put it back in with good results.

Do what you can to find some. I don't plan on getting rid of the truck so a couple of these on the shelf would be good.

If you have a source for various sized jets for the Auto-lite 1101 that would be helpful too. The one in the kit does not indicate what size it is. My carb had a 67F in when I disassembled it. I should probably be running a 69F at my altitude (roughly 15 feet above sealevel).

I know it is proper for the carb to have the vent valve and it has been removed from mine. Any idea if that can be acquired separately?

I've been to a very large antique auto yard twice and have yet to find a vehicle with one of these carbs in it. I'm sure there's some there, but the place is huge, packed, and overgrown. It is a woods and not open fields, and the donors are not sorted. Good luck finding anything there. All the slicks I saw were older than mine with a lot of rot.

 

C3TZ9533B .. Main Metering Jet #69F / 0 to 5,000 ft. (Motorcraft CJ132) / Obsolete

KINSEL L/M in Beaumont TX has TWO = 800-816-2894.

PARTS INTERNATIONAL in Farmers Branch TX has TWO = 888-727-0418.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has TWO = 800-546-7278.

CHARAPP FORD NORTH in Natrona Heights PA has FOUR = 724-294-2000.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has FOUR = 800-543-4959.

OVERALL FORD in Jones OK has FOUR = 405-399-2275.
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The following is FYI, I didn't search to see if anyone had any.

C3TZ9533D .. Main Metering Jet #67F / 5,000 to 10,000 ft. (Motorcraft CJ139) / Obsolete

C3TZ9533F .. Main Metering Jet #65F / 10,000 to 15,000 ft. (Motorcraft CJ131) / Obsolete
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C3AZ9D583C .. Float Bowl Vent Valve (Motorcraft CM913) / Obsolete

FITZPATRICK & LAMBERT in Dushore PA has TWO = 570-928-8184.

MANDERBACH FORD in Temple PA has THREE = 610-329-3659.

ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon PA has FOUR = 717-272-8762.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS has FIVE.

GREEN SALES CO. has SIX.
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C5AZ9564A .. Fuel Inlet Valve & Seat Assy (Motorcraft CV56) / Obsolete

RAY MOTOR CO. in Hillsborough NC has TWO = 919-732-8118.

TISON MOTOR CO. in Estill SC has TWO = 803-625-2551.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS has THREE.

KINSEL L/M has FOUR.

PARTS INTERNATIONAL has FOUR.

GREEN SALES CO has 32.

In case you are wondering...No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor in VA, WV, KY, TN, or MD has any of these parts.

 

Thanks a heap, ND. Got some calls to make.