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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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6.0 Powercore Airfilter

Reading around the forums, I've heard alot of people say that the factory Donaldson Powercore airfilter is suffecient up to 550 RWH. From what I've read, the stock filter moves about 750CFM. Does anyone have the flow rates of rival aftermarket filters or maybe can explain to me where the "stock is as good as aftermarket" information came from?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jhelmsing
maybe can explain to me where the "stock is as good as aftermarket" information came from?

If you look at the sheets that a/m companies use to show additional air flow, they don't happen until atleast 3700 rpms(that's for those that show testing done to a 6.0, most show testing as it relates to the 7.3 and a 7.3 and it's stock airfilter is a totally different animal and one that an a/m intake does help even if nothing else is done to the engine). Now peak hp and tq of a stock or slightly modified 6.0(which includes a tuned 6.0) is at 3300 and 2000 rpms respectively. That extra flow doesn't happen until well outside the usable range of the 6.0. Now this is a limitation of the 6.0, however, it is a limitation you have to constrain yourself to unless you are willing to do mods that would raise up that rpm range.

It's not really a question of a/m intakes flowing more then a stock intake, it's when it flows more and it doesn't flow more within the usable range of the 6.0 that applies to about 90-95% of the 6.0 owners out there.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tex25025
If you look at the sheets that a/m companies use to show additional air flow, they don't happen until atleast 3700 rpms(that's for those that show testing done to a 6.0, most show testing as it relates to the 7.3 and a 7.3 and it's stock airfilter is a totally different animal and one that an a/m intake does help even if nothing else is done to the engine). Now peak hp and tq of a stock or slightly modified 6.0(which includes a tuned 6.0) is at 3300 and 2000 rpms respectively. That extra flow doesn't happen until well outside the usable range of the 6.0. Now this is a limitation of the 6.0, however, it is a limitation you have to constrain yourself to unless you are willing to do mods that would raise up that rpm range.

It's not really a question of a/m intakes flowing more then a stock intake, it's when it flows more and it doesn't flow more within the usable range of the 6.0 that applies to about 90-95% of the 6.0 owners out there.
Well said Tex....
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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i have a flow bench superflow 600 and a superflow 1020.i have a MAC cold air and an S&B and my stock replacement motorcraft with about 15k on it.Ill flow them next week and see what the results are.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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There are also several folks who have done tests on the dyno and shown there is no improvement.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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i have sucked out the filter minder with the stock filter pulling a trailer in the hills of tenn.Never done it with the MAC
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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i have sucked out the filter minder with the stock filter pulling a trailer in the hills of tenn.

Which hills? Chances are I've pulled horses thru those same hills and I have a bigger turbo and I have never sucked in the minder.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BobsF350
i have sucked out the filter minder with the stock filter pulling a trailer in the hills of tenn.Never done it with the MAC
I just do not believe this is possible unless the filter was wet or severly dirty.

Hopefully you use the blue synthetic media. It is water resistant. The white media will let the dirt "pack" in the pores when it is damp.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Again, as Tex said - it is not about flow per-say. It is about USABLE volume of air.

Dyno's with stock and then with aftermarket yield NO extra horsepower. Flow is a secondary issue.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BobsF350
i have sucked out the filter minder with the stock filter pulling a trailer in the hills of tenn.Never done it with the MAC

Here is a good thread from the past.

Two resources I TOTALLY trust to be technically thorough and to honestly represent the data (npccpartsman and Matt from Spartan: posts 12 and 17 and 22):

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...for-6-0-a.html

But ................... there will ALWAYS be differing opinions and folks showing up w/ "data" that are geared to make theirs look best.

Do what you feel good about, that is the key factor in the end.

BUT - do not expect to show up w/ new data and "partial testing" such that everyone will be 100% convinced that you can benefit from an aftermarket filter. Just won't happen.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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heading south on I75 Jellico Tn. 03 F350 crewcab dually Fx4 with a 40 foot haulmark gooseneck Gcvw of 25,400ish LBS and yes the blue filter media
 
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heading south on I75 Jellico Tn.
If I remember correctly it's on the Kentucky border, if so, I've been there many a time, usually just passing thru though.



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03 F350 crewcab dually Fx4 with a 40 foot haulmark gooseneck Gcvw of 25,400ish LBS
Gears?

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and yes the blue filter media
Mark brought up a good point, how clean was the filter? If it was dirty it would suck from everywhere it could to get air.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 05:26 AM
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Air filters are a compromise between three factors. Air flow, efficiency (dust removal), and service intervals (how much dust it can hold). Striking a balance of those three to suit the application is what it's all about.

Donaldson put a big effort into developing the Powercore filters for very good reason. And they got good results. I'm not normally one to accept all stock parts, but they really got this one right.

Not only does the stock filter flow huge amounts air, more than enough for all stock and most modified 6.0's, which would be 99% of them, but it will still flow adequate air after collecting something like 3 lb of dust and safely too. See how much air flow you're left with with that much dust in an aftermarket filter. That's if it's actually collecting it.............
 
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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about 15K on the filter and 4.10's
 
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