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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Pyrometer thermocouple installation location

I'm working on getting my gauges installed and the trans temp and boost are easy. I'm looking at the pictures on Diesel Manor for the installation instructions and am not sure exactly where the thermocouple for the pyro is installed. It appears from the pictures to be on the bottom side of the engine but can someone possible describe the location to me a little better? It would be a huge help.

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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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I prefer the driver side up pipe. It has easy access and isn't as permanent as the manifold. If you need pics let me know.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Is this the pipe where most people do the foil delete? If not, pictures would be very beneficial.

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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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Do you know what an exhaust manifold is? The 2 locations for the sensor are either in the exhaust manifold (bottom side since it's easier access) or in the up pipe, which is the thin wall pipe that goes from the exhaust manifold up to the back of the turbo. We typically install this in the driver side since it's a shorter distance to run the wires to the gauge. No this is not the pipe folks do the foil delete on.

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Clay, you might want to take a few shots from a lot further out for those that may not understand what the manifold or up pipes are. You know, something they can lay under the truck and get their bearings and figure out what's what. Maybe include the oil filter as a point of reference. Are you going to have a tech write up section in your website?
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Mine is mounted in the up pipe too. Been there for years. Easier to drill than the manifold and easier to fix if you fubar it.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Another vote for the up-pipe. Mine has been there nearly three years now with zero issues.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by F350-6
Do you know what an exhaust manifold is? The 2 locations for the sensor are either in the exhaust manifold (bottom side since it's easier access) or in the up pipe, which is the thin wall pipe that goes from the exhaust manifold up to the back of the turbo. We typically install this in the driver side since it's a shorter distance to run the wires to the gauge. No this is not the pipe folks do the foil delete on.

Edit: So Clay can post pictures faster than I can type.

Clay, you might want to take a few shots from a lot further out for those that may not understand what the manifold or up pipes are. You know, something they can lay under the truck and get their bearings and figure out what's what. Maybe include the oil filter as a point of reference. Are you going to have a tech write up section in your website?
Good point Chris, sorry to the OP, I will grab another for you in a bit. Also, yes, there will be a tech section for installation instructions and such, under the resources tab.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
Mine is mounted in the up pipe too. Been there for years. Easier to drill than the manifold and easier to fix if you fubar it.
That sums it up right there, Thanks Mike
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
Mine is mounted in the up pipe too. Been there for years. Easier to drill than the manifold and easier to fix if you fubar it.
Originally Posted by Izzy351
Another vote for the up-pipe. Mine has been there nearly three years now with zero issues.
Just for clarification. Which type of probe do you two have in the up pipe? Clamp type or drill and tap?
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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Drill and tap. Looks just like Clay's.





 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 08:58 PM
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Since it's an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) gauge wouldn't you want it as close to the exhaust port as possible? Seems like the up-pipe would be the only place that makes sense...plus the easy drill in the tube makes it simple to do.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by derck_mullin
Since it's an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) gauge wouldn't you want it as close to the exhaust port as possible? Seems like the up-pipe would be the only place that makes sense...plus the easy drill in the tube makes it simple to do.
Technically, the exhaust gasses go through the exhaust manifold before they ever see the up pipes, but we're only talking about a few inches of difference so it's not really a big deal.

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Drill and tap. Looks just like Clay's.
Guess I should pay more attention then. I saw a write up somewhere that showed the clamp type on the up pipe so I just figured the tap type should go in the manifold. I've had lots of practice with a drill and tap, both cast iron and steel, so the manifold didn't bother me. If the tap holds well in the up pipes, I can't see any reason not to do it there for the above mentioned reasons. Besides, the tapered NPT tap will allow you to tighten the fitting if it becomes loose or you run the tap in a little too far.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by F350-6
Technically, the exhaust gasses go through the exhaust manifold before they ever see the up pipes, but we're only talking about a few inches of difference so it's not really a big deal.



Guess I should pay more attention then. I saw a write up somewhere that showed the clamp type on the up pipe so I just figured the tap type should go in the manifold. I've had lots of practice with a drill and tap, both cast iron and steel, so the manifold didn't bother me. If the tap holds well in the up pipes, I can't see any reason not to do it there for the above mentioned reasons. Besides, the tapered NPT tap will allow you to tighten the fitting if it becomes loose or you run the tap in a little too far.
True...but don't think anyone wants to tap thru all 8 leads (that would be the only way to be technically correct)...plus drilling through the exhaust manifold would suck
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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True...but don't think anyone wants to tap thru all 8 leads (that would be the only way to be technically correct)...plus drilling through the exhaust manifold would suck
Sorry, but I don't follow you here. The exhaust manifold on each side of the engine exits into the up pipe, so you would only need to drill the manifold in one location. Any location drilled (preferably near #8) would give you readings prior to the up pipe.

I guess the drilling part is a matter of perspective. Yes it's much thicker than the up-pipe, but I've drilled through much thicker material. As I stated earlier, and as you can see in both Clay & Mike's pics, you're only talking about a few inches of difference in location of the probe, so the decision between the two locations isn't really of any importance.
 
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