Help identifying axles
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Help identifying axles
This is a 1992 E350 SD with a Quigley 4x4 setup.
The front diff I believe is a Dana 44. It has "42513" on the housing and the tag says:
45-11
4.09
The rear diff, I do not have a guess. It has "853" on the top and 42853 towards the rear cover. The tag says:
4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
The door tag has the code "C5" which I believe is the 4.10 limited slip.
As you can see, the vehicle is stripped down for a major rebuild. I would like to figure out what components it has so I can get any needed parts, as well as identify any potentially weak components as I rebuild this for performance. The E4OD will get a complete performance rebuild, as will the 351. The transfer case is a Borg Warner 1356, which if I understand correctly, should be plenty durable.
Thanks!
Dave
The front diff I believe is a Dana 44. It has "42513" on the housing and the tag says:
45-11
4.09
The rear diff, I do not have a guess. It has "853" on the top and 42853 towards the rear cover. The tag says:
4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
The door tag has the code "C5" which I believe is the 4.10 limited slip.
As you can see, the vehicle is stripped down for a major rebuild. I would like to figure out what components it has so I can get any needed parts, as well as identify any potentially weak components as I rebuild this for performance. The E4OD will get a complete performance rebuild, as will the 351. The transfer case is a Borg Warner 1356, which if I understand correctly, should be plenty durable.
Thanks!
Dave
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The rear axle should be a Ford/Sterling 10.25. In 1984/1985 Ford stopped using Dana rears and began using the Ford 10.25. With the Ford axle, you can remove the brake drum without pulling the axle shaft. If you do have the pull the axle shaft to pull the brake drum-then it's a dana axle.
I can't help with the front. Although Ford didn't use any Dana 44 Solid front axles since 1979. In 1980 they began with the IFS Dana 44. The only Ford solid axle available in the F-series was the Dana 60...i believe. I don't know how to Identify a Dana 60 or Dana 44...but this might spark memories for others.
I can't help with the front. Although Ford didn't use any Dana 44 Solid front axles since 1979. In 1980 they began with the IFS Dana 44. The only Ford solid axle available in the F-series was the Dana 60...i believe. I don't know how to Identify a Dana 60 or Dana 44...but this might spark memories for others.
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For the front diff, look on the lower web closest to the middle of the vehicle on the cover side. This is usually where Dana stamped the web for a front 44, if not there check the other webs, as far as I know dana stamped all the diff. It will have a 44 or 44 9f if its a dana 44. It may have a 60 if it is a dana 60.
For the rear diff, again check the webs on the diff on the cover side (bottom right if i remember). Should have a 60 if its a dana 60, 50 if its a dana 50, 70 if its a dana 70, etc.
The tag numbers have two parts. The upper number is Ford's nomenclature, the lower is the producing company's nomenclature. The rear tag sounds like it has a dana tag number. They usually have 6 numbers - 1 or 2 numbers; ie 603900-12 (which happens to be a Dana 60 on one of my trucks) or 610068-3 (which happens to be a front Dana 44 on one of my trucks).
Also, the bolt pattern on the cover for the 44's & 60's was identical except the 60's was a tad bit larger because it is a larger diff housing.
I hope this was helpful & not too confusing.
If all else fails shoot a message to numberdummy w/ the tag numbers & see if he can decode them.
For the rear diff, again check the webs on the diff on the cover side (bottom right if i remember). Should have a 60 if its a dana 60, 50 if its a dana 50, 70 if its a dana 70, etc.
The tag numbers have two parts. The upper number is Ford's nomenclature, the lower is the producing company's nomenclature. The rear tag sounds like it has a dana tag number. They usually have 6 numbers - 1 or 2 numbers; ie 603900-12 (which happens to be a Dana 60 on one of my trucks) or 610068-3 (which happens to be a front Dana 44 on one of my trucks).
Also, the bolt pattern on the cover for the 44's & 60's was identical except the 60's was a tad bit larger because it is a larger diff housing.
I hope this was helpful & not too confusing.
If all else fails shoot a message to numberdummy w/ the tag numbers & see if he can decode them.
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Judging from the size of the axle tubes and the shape of the cover, I think the front is a Dana 60. Have a look at this site (http://www.coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml) the 44 and 60 covers a quite different.
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Thanks for the input guys. The ID on the webbing for the front diff says "5HF" or "SHF" though I did find the build info on the short tube which says "44 BA526 8" so the front is definitely the 44.
As for the rear, the hub protrusions with bolts indicates that it is a full-floating axle? It does appear that the drums are removable without taking out the axles.
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Dave
As for the rear, the hub protrusions with bolts indicates that it is a full-floating axle? It does appear that the drums are removable without taking out the axles.
Thanks!
Dave
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If those rear drums are removable then it's a Ford 10.25.
I run one in my F350 and there are many members on the Pre-Power Stroke forum who treat them with care by abusing them daily and these suckers are tough to beat!
You can reast assured it's a heavy axle...many members post numbers grossing out around 22k - 28k lbs towing and the rear axle is one of their least worries.
I run one in my F350 and there are many members on the Pre-Power Stroke forum who treat them with care by abusing them daily and these suckers are tough to beat!
You can reast assured it's a heavy axle...many members post numbers grossing out around 22k - 28k lbs towing and the rear axle is one of their least worries.
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Actually...i think i spy an oil fill plug in the differential cover on that rear axle. Is there an oil fill plug in the differential cover...or in the center casting on the drivers side front of the differential?
If the oil fill plug is in the diff. cover-it's a Dana axle.
If the oil fill plug is in the diff. casting - it's a Ford 10.25.
If the oil fill plug is in the diff. cover-it's a Dana axle.
If the oil fill plug is in the diff. casting - it's a Ford 10.25.
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Pretty sure that rear is a Dana, most likely a Dana 60. I do not think Ford put Sterlings in the vans back then.
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Yes, there is a drain plug on the cover and I did find "60-150" cast into the webbing on the front, so it would appear to be the Dana 60. Now I can start researching how to remove the drums, and any maintenance needed for the two axles.
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Sorry about the false info. I wasn't aware of the truck versus van axle difference. Dana 60 sounds good though! The aftermarket has VERY good selections on parts.
So...what axles do the vans use now? Ford 10.5? What's the timeline for axles?
So...what axles do the vans use now? Ford 10.5? What's the timeline for axles?
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I am finally getting around to replacing my rear brakes, and I thought I would pass on some more information on differentiating these axles.
It appears that I have a Dana 60 SRW axle which has drums independent of the rear hubs and has 3.5" shoes. Apparently it is not just the Sterling axle that may not require the removal of the axles to remove the drums.
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It appears that I have a Dana 60 SRW axle which has drums independent of the rear hubs and has 3.5" shoes. Apparently it is not just the Sterling axle that may not require the removal of the axles to remove the drums.
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This is a 1992 E350 SD with a Quigley 4x4 setup.
The front diff I believe is a Dana 44. It has "42513" on the housing and the tag says:
45-11
4.09
The rear diff, I do not have a guess. It has "853" on the top and 42853 towards the rear cover. The tag says:
4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
The door tag has the code "C5" which I believe is the 4.10 limited slip.
As you can see, the vehicle is stripped down for a major rebuild. I would like to figure out what components it has so I can get any needed parts, as well as identify any potentially weak components as I rebuild this for performance. The E4OD will get a complete performance rebuild, as will the 351. The transfer case is a Borg Warner 1356, which if I understand correctly, should be plenty durable.
Thanks!
Dave
The front diff I believe is a Dana 44. It has "42513" on the housing and the tag says:
45-11
4.09
The rear diff, I do not have a guess. It has "853" on the top and 42853 towards the rear cover. The tag says:
4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
The door tag has the code "C5" which I believe is the 4.10 limited slip.
As you can see, the vehicle is stripped down for a major rebuild. I would like to figure out what components it has so I can get any needed parts, as well as identify any potentially weak components as I rebuild this for performance. The E4OD will get a complete performance rebuild, as will the 351. The transfer case is a Borg Warner 1356, which if I understand correctly, should be plenty durable.
Thanks!
Dave
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Yes, the tag definitely says:
4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
I marked the driveshaft and turned the rear wheel, and the ratio is right in the 4.10 range. Both wheels also move the same direction, so I am sure it is a LS. I am also sure that these are the original two axles that it left the 4wd conversion shop with, so the ratios should be properly matched.
When I purchased the rear brakes, the only listings that they had for an e350 with 3.5" shoes (versus 3") was a DRW application and a listing that said "Dana 60 SRW 3.5"" I just thought it was interesting that the drums came off independent of the hubs. I was under the impression that the full-float D60 only had integrated hub/drums.
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4.09 FLUA PA
605487-10 LS
I marked the driveshaft and turned the rear wheel, and the ratio is right in the 4.10 range. Both wheels also move the same direction, so I am sure it is a LS. I am also sure that these are the original two axles that it left the 4wd conversion shop with, so the ratios should be properly matched.
When I purchased the rear brakes, the only listings that they had for an e350 with 3.5" shoes (versus 3") was a DRW application and a listing that said "Dana 60 SRW 3.5"" I just thought it was interesting that the drums came off independent of the hubs. I was under the impression that the full-float D60 only had integrated hub/drums.
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