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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifty4F100
I hope you don't mind my continued questioning, but won't the lower revs only be seen at interstate speeds (whether on the interstates or not!)?
anytime above 55ish..

here to town is 6 miles, sl 60
town to next is 12 or 18 miles, sl 70

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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Update since I asked this question. I have installed the tv cable from lokar and also added a modifing bracket from Pheonix transmissions which is availabe from Sachse rod shop ( and others I'm sure ) which changes the geometry of the carb linkage so that there is no setting of the linkage other than both the tv cable and the throttle must be a full travel at the same time. I have not been able to run this engine yet so I can't verify the pressures but I intend to do so when able. The tech people at Pheonix seem to be very knowageable on these transmissions ( their number is 866-shiftup if anyone needs more info on this bracket.)
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifty4F100
Are you really saving enough gas to warrant such an endeavor?
That's not the question you should be asking us. You should be asking yourself why it's nearly impossible to find a vehicle made is the last 10 years that doesn't have overdrive. The double nickel speed limit is essentially gone. Highway speeds and engine speeds are higher. OD lowers engine speed which increases engine life and fuel economy. Who wouldn't want that? In addition, OD also allows the use of higher final drive gears for better acceleration while still maintaining a sane engine speed during cruising.

Once you understand the purpose and operation of an AOD's throttle valve, it isn't that big of a deal to properly set up. Certainly not difficult enough to be a large factor in deciding to whether or not to use this transmission.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueOvalRage
That's not the question you should be asking us. You should be asking yourself why it's nearly impossible to find a vehicle made is the last 10 years that doesn't have overdrive. The double nickel speed limit is essentially gone. Highway speeds and engine speeds are higher. OD lowers engine speed which increases engine life and fuel economy. Who wouldn't want that? In addition, OD also allows the use of higher final drive gears for better acceleration while still maintaining a sane engine speed during cruising.

Once you understand the purpose and operation of an AOD's throttle valve, it isn't that big of a deal to properly set up. Certainly not difficult enough to be a large factor in deciding to whether or not to use this transmission.
The main reason I am asking all this is that I have a 94 5.0 roller cam motor that I eventually want to put in my 54. I have access to a small block C6 in my area for $50 if it is still available. I can also most likely get an AOD from a local pull-a-part yard from a little less than $200. I've always wondered why most truck restomods get a C4, C6, FMX rather than an AOD. I'm sure its the initial costs + rebuild/installation cost difference. Yes most all transmissions from the Big 3 have had overdrives in the last 20 years. But most of us individuals don't have CAFE standards to meet or DEEP pockets to do these things. All things considered, I would love to have an OD in my truck.

I also wonder why drag racers (even Ford builders) use powerglides!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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An oil pressure gauge is what you want. The line pressure is different than the TV(throttle valve)pressure. On the TV pressure check at idle use a smaller gauge (0-10 lbs). Than you can use a 0-100 lb gauge for the WOT raid check. The TV port is on the passenger side of the tranny. Middle of the three at the rear, deepest to get to. 2-10 lbs at idle is good. And as long as the pressure rises consistently and quickly as you accelerate it's good. The throttle lever should max out before the TV lever on the tranny.You should still have a bit of play in the TV lever when the throttle is maxed open. In theory you want more TV lever throw than throttle lever, get it? The AOD is nicer on the freeway. But they say the C6 is tougher. A well built AOD can be used in racing, so it depends on you. I like having the OD. The E4OD will bolt up the 460, I've got an extra one in Sacramento. People seem to be scared of the TV, but it's simple.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by austin2466
The E4OD will bolt up the 460, I've got an extra one in Sacramento. People seem to be scared of the TV, but it's simple.
I've heard nothing good about the E40D. I thought of it before deciding on the C6.
the Tranny shops around here had nothing good to say either.. constant;y working on them..

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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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No offense guys....

Originally Posted by austin2466
An oil pressure gauge is what you want. The line pressure is different than the TV(throttle valve)pressure. On the TV pressure check at idle use a smaller gauge (0-10 lbs). Than you can use a 0-100 lb gauge for the WOT raid check. The TV port is on the passenger side of the tranny. Middle of the three at the rear, deepest to get to. 2-10 lbs at idle is good. And as long as the pressure rises consistently and quickly as you accelerate it's good. The throttle lever should max out before the TV lever on the tranny.You should still have a bit of play in the TV lever when the throttle is maxed open. In theory you want more TV lever throw than throttle lever, get it? The AOD is nicer on the freeway. But they say the C6 is tougher. A well built AOD can be used in racing, so it depends on you. I like having the OD. The E4OD will bolt up the 460, I've got an extra one in Sacramento. People seem to be scared of the TV, but it's simple.
This just sounds like alot of people scared of what they don't know... Mopar 727s are nearly bulletproof, but they have mechanical kickdown linkages. Mopar guys have had to deal with them for years, so most good Mopar guys are comfortable with them. You guys for the most part who have been building Fords haven't, so.. this stuff is all new to you..... This sounds just like it and is no sweat... There should be no worries at all about it. All a matter of adjustment. Find the right procedure and you should have no issues. Lokar makes some good stuff... Stock stuff should work as well. Just a matter of making sure you have what works with what you have.

That said... check, double check, triple check..... That is my motto. Just took apart my woman's 02 Galant today... Blower motor was only working on 4 when heating and wasn't working at all with the AC on. Called the shop that did some work on it last year, and they started making excuses, they weren't in there, etc. etc... What did I find when I took it apart? They didn't plug in the blower motor resistor. As hard as it was to plug in, there was no way it just worked itself out. Study everything before you start. Know the answer before you ask the question. Check, double and triple check your work... That is the key with the unknown...
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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Holy crap!

Originally Posted by Fifty4F100
I hope you don't mind my continued questioning, but won't the lower revs only be seen at interstate speeds (whether on the interstates or not!)?
You guys do drive your toys don't you??????? Drove a 59 Plymmie from Ripon, WI to Tulsa Oklahoma and back a couple years ago... If you drive it... you will notice a difference with OD....

If you trailer it... why bother with a real engine and trans?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 10:15 PM
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I dont drive my truck, I BEAT it. Only had it running for a couple of months, but it has seen some hard use. Broke the nine inch last nite, but the AOD is fine. I figured it would be the opposite. Saftymike, kickdown and throttle valve are NOT the same. TV is constantly changing and adjusting. Yes you can run without the kickdown hookup, no you cannot run without the TV hookedup.
 
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Originally Posted by austin2466
I dont drive my truck, I BEAT it. Only had it running for a couple of months, but it has seen some hard use. Broke the nine inch last nite, but the AOD is fine. I figured it would be the opposite. Saftymike, kickdown and throttle valve are NOT the same. TV is constantly changing and adjusting. Yes you can run without the kickdown hookup, no you cannot run without the TV hookedup.
Similar setups though... Just saying....
 
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