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Old May 20, 2009 | 09:30 PM
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Tugger installed reverse slipping

I just installed my tugger kit and everything works fine except reverse. It seems like it is slipping very badly in reverse. I used Mikes thread https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...l-article.html for the install and did only the accumilator valve body. The solonoid pack had already been done by ford. I cleaned everything with brake cleaner and de burred after i drilled the 2 holes for the valve body. I also went with the .096 for 1st, .084 3rd, .096 4th. I am really disappointed. I also ran it through fwd and reverse several times and serviced with 9 quarts of fluid. Was i supposed to remove the gasket above the accumilator valve body? What would be suspect of the problem?
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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There should be no reason for this if you did as you described. Did you mean 9 or 19 quarts?
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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Thanks for replying so fast mike. I put 9 in because i only drained the pan. I let it warm up and cycled through all the gears and checked it running and it shows full middle of the hot mark.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 09:58 PM
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Well, the valve body mods should not have affected the reverse at all unless something has happened. They are mostly mods to tighten up the shifting from 1-2, 2-3 etc. Reverse is a single gear and notoriously weak in our trucks. If all else is fine, I am stumped because I was going to say make sure you have the proper fluid level. Fill it up to the very top of the stick cold. I think your Tq converter is slipping from a possible lack of fluid. Just a thought, might try the fluid, or we wait for Mark K to comment.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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Yeah, I can't think of any reason why that would happen either. So you got the Tugger & only did the accumulator? If you put in the entire Tugger kit, you have to pull all the bodies off. I did it all except above that main plate. I couldn't get the solenoid pack off, and didn't want to break it.

Aside from the reverse issue, how is the shifting? You might have to get custom tuning to match up with the kit. Before that, we need to figure out why your reverse is jacked up obviously.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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Thanks Mike, I will check the fluid again like you said. It`s funny this has happened because like i said i only installed the Accumilator valve body mods and nothing else. Everything was torqued also. I was very meticulous so I thought.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
Yeah, I can't think of any reason why that would happen either. So you got the Tugger & only did the accumulator? If you put in the entire Tugger kit, you have to pull all the bodies off. I did it all except above that main plate. I couldn't get the solenoid pack off, and didn't want to break it.

Aside from the reverse issue, how is the shifting? You might have to get custom tuning to match up with the kit. Before that, we need to figure out why your reverse is jacked up obviously.
I just did the mods mike did in his tugger install thread. I dropped the solonoid pack and it was like mikes` with the one big hole and the relief cuts between the walls.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:31 PM
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You might have to get custom tuning to match up with the kit. Before that, we need to figure out why your reverse is jacked up obviously.
There is no tuning required with a Transgo mod. It tunes the trans manually. The slipping reverse tells me something went awry during the mod or the fluid is not where it should be as long as it worked properly before the mod. It was working fine before right? The Transgo will not repair a faulty tranny. Sorry, have to ask these things to be sure.
 
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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
There is no tuning required with a Transgo mod. It tunes the trans manually. The slipping reverse tells me something went awry during the mod or the fluid is not where it should be as long as it worked properly before the mod. It was working fine before right? The Transgo will not repair a faulty tranny. Sorry, have to ask these things to be sure.
I didnt have any problems before the install. I am going to bed for now and tear back into it in the morning to make sure everything is moving freely and the springs are all in place where they should be.
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Ok I am ready to go back in with everything guys. Does anyone know what the torque spec is for the solenoid pack and the accumulator valve body is?
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
There is no tuning required with a Transgo mod. It tunes the trans manually. The slipping reverse tells me something went awry during the mod or the fluid is not where it should be as long as it worked properly before the mod. It was working fine before right? The Transgo will not repair a faulty tranny. Sorry, have to ask these things to be sure.
The Transgo kits can cause hard shifts with tuning sometimes, depending on how aggressive you got with the shift kit and how your tunes were written. Jody recommends a re-burn if you install a Transgo kit after getting tunes to keep the shifts the way you want them.
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:14 PM
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ok solonoid pack and accumalator body is in now and torqued at 70 inch pounds. Couldnt find the torque anywhere. I am kind of dissappointed with the quality of the transgo kit instructions and the video, just my .02. Getting ready to go put the pan up and fill with fluid again.
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Ok, i found the problem! Hopefully this will help someone in the future that has a reverse problem after the tugger install. The problem was that I had previously installed the Diablo accumulator line modulation valve. I didnt have the stock ford line pressure mod valve anymore so step 4 on Pg 3 I just didnt install the blue spring this time and put the stock springs back in and my Diablo Line mod valve back in. I also drilled out the calibration plate holes out to: 1st .108, 2nd .95, 3rd .108 . It shifts good now but a little soft going into 4th. I am hopeing my DP Tuner install will fix that. I got tugger tunes from Clay just need to install my tuner.
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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Glad you found the problem Lee!
 
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Old May 21, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by superduty4x4
The Transgo kits can cause hard shifts with tuning sometimes, depending on how aggressive you got with the shift kit and how your tunes were written. Jody recommends a re-burn if you install a Transgo kit after getting tunes to keep the shifts the way you want them.
I reiterate what I said earlier. The Transgo does not require tuning, it does what it does manually while tunes call for adjustments in line pressure, shift points, lockup an unlock etc. Live tuned, the Transgo is a very nice mod. Glad you found your problem Lee.
 
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