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He took a ration of $hi& for it when he first started coming here up in the superduty forum they had a poll of wich medium dutty deisel you would want in your truck and it was funny I said the cummins was better than the rest they didn't bat an eye but when Dodge said something about dodge trucks not being complete piles of trash they went apepoopy and started saying he was a troll and all that garbage be we all know the truth theres some light deep down inside him shown by his several fords! Of course it ait to hard to get peoples panties in a bunch up there all I did was state the fule milage my truck got and the fact that it didn't loose as much millage than the gassers did towin, they were discussing the pointlessness of the diesel truck because the gassers can tow as much for less totall cost of maintnance and fule, I just brought up the fact that my truck is cheap to maintain and gets decent millage and if you tow a lot you will see a savings with the deisel three post later the thread was closed they didn't take to kindly to my stating known documented facts. Sorry for rambling but I started the thread so atleast I'm not derailing some one elses this time.